OK.
I slipped up and let the cat out of the bag in a previous post (Mauser RF/SS
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?1626-RFSS-Contract
by JoeW) that I am "of the opinion" that Sauer assembled the DSM 34 for the Waffenstadt Suhl from components made by other Suhl Firms.
I really was not ready to present my case but it's out there and fragmented in three other posts.
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?1639-Geco-1934-DSM-34
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?1637-Waffenstadt-Suhl-1935-rf-ss-dsm-34
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?1638-Waffenstadt-Suhl-1934-dated-DSM-34
Off to a lousy start as a Moderator I suppose.
I will get this cleaned up, pulled together, gather my evidence and edit this post accordingly.
Here is the marking I refer to adjacent to the early and late variation receiver marking on the Waffenstadt Suhl.
I initially dismissed this as only the receivers being made by Sauer.
One of the reasons I remain anxious to get to Suhl and do some looking myself.
And there may be nothing there.
I do not have one in my possession but Sauer definately made Geco Logo'd side by side shotguns this same time frame. Bob Simpson and I spent one whole afternoon knocking down several of those, both Geco Marked and Sauer marked. They are both numbered in Sauer's SN range for shotguns. Concurrently we knocked down and several DSM's from Bob's collection and compared the markings, proofs, and fonts, wood finish, metal finish, etc. I know Jim Cate is familiar with those shotguns. Those shotguns virtually mirror Sauer produced guns and have the same "hidden" logo on bottom barrel flats adjacent to proofs. I believe he even covers that in his book.
Then compare side by side the fonts with any Sauer of that vintage.
Do I have any documents?? No
Is this entirely speculation on my part? I guess so.
I am from the school of thought that lets the guns do the talking. If you examine things in close detail on many Third Reich firearms produced from 1933 to 1945 you will find some intriguing mysteries. This is one of them.
I beg anyone who is well studied on Sauer Production to explain this and make an objective comparison of these guns finish, material, proofs, and particularly SERIAL NUMBER FONTS with Sauer logo'd guns of the same era.
You will have to remove the trigger assembly to see this.
Feel free to comment here.
This should be fun.
I slipped up and let the cat out of the bag in a previous post (Mauser RF/SS
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?1626-RFSS-Contract
by JoeW) that I am "of the opinion" that Sauer assembled the DSM 34 for the Waffenstadt Suhl from components made by other Suhl Firms.
I really was not ready to present my case but it's out there and fragmented in three other posts.
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?1639-Geco-1934-DSM-34
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?1637-Waffenstadt-Suhl-1935-rf-ss-dsm-34
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?1638-Waffenstadt-Suhl-1934-dated-DSM-34
Off to a lousy start as a Moderator I suppose.
I will get this cleaned up, pulled together, gather my evidence and edit this post accordingly.
Here is the marking I refer to adjacent to the early and late variation receiver marking on the Waffenstadt Suhl.
I initially dismissed this as only the receivers being made by Sauer.
One of the reasons I remain anxious to get to Suhl and do some looking myself.
And there may be nothing there.
I do not have one in my possession but Sauer definately made Geco Logo'd side by side shotguns this same time frame. Bob Simpson and I spent one whole afternoon knocking down several of those, both Geco Marked and Sauer marked. They are both numbered in Sauer's SN range for shotguns. Concurrently we knocked down and several DSM's from Bob's collection and compared the markings, proofs, and fonts, wood finish, metal finish, etc. I know Jim Cate is familiar with those shotguns. Those shotguns virtually mirror Sauer produced guns and have the same "hidden" logo on bottom barrel flats adjacent to proofs. I believe he even covers that in his book.
Then compare side by side the fonts with any Sauer of that vintage.
Do I have any documents?? No
Is this entirely speculation on my part? I guess so.
I am from the school of thought that lets the guns do the talking. If you examine things in close detail on many Third Reich firearms produced from 1933 to 1945 you will find some intriguing mysteries. This is one of them.
I beg anyone who is well studied on Sauer Production to explain this and make an objective comparison of these guns finish, material, proofs, and particularly SERIAL NUMBER FONTS with Sauer logo'd guns of the same era.
You will have to remove the trigger assembly to see this.
Feel free to comment here.
This should be fun.
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