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bruce98k
01-26-2010, 07:47 PM
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Ogtree
03-02-2010, 07:51 AM
Section for J.P. Sauer
I have S/147/G #3064f. The rifle matches except for the short cleaning rod, which is #90 and appears to have an Eagle/63 WaA. The bore is very good. The stock is correctly numbered inside and out. The handguard is numbered inside. The only unusual thing about this rifle is the number on the band spring. The full number, 3064, is on the back of the spring, facing the stock instead of on the side facing up.
I will be taking photos for Mike and will post them.
I bought this rifle 6 years ago from David Condon in Middleburg, VA. It is the oldest matching K98k I have seen, personally. I would love to see others.

Ogtree

3371940
03-02-2010, 08:49 PM
I have S/147/G #3064f. The rifle matches except for the short cleaning rod, which is #90 and appears to have an Eagle/63 WaA. The bore is very good. The stock is correctly numbered inside and out. The handguard is numbered inside. The only unusual thing about this rifle is the number on the band spring. The full number, 3064, is on the back of the spring, facing the stock instead of on the side facing up.
I will be taking photos for Mike and will post them.
I bought this rifle 6 years ago from David Condon in Middleburg, VA. It is the oldest matching K98k I have seen, personally. I would love to see others.

Ogtree

Wow, pretty close. I have s/147/G 2071 F....bolt MM.

WaA623
03-02-2010, 09:30 PM
1939-147 5362h
All matching inside and out. Stock and handguard stamped inside and an "L" and WaA37 on stock behind the buttplate. Here are a few pics, hope it helps:

agalland
03-10-2010, 09:11 PM
S147G 2985d variant III , purchased from son of vet who brought it back, no d/c.

All matching with exception of cleaning rod which has no # but has the S & K stamp @ the end.

Has a Sauer muzzle cover ,but it has diff serial #.

Nice bore, nice metal, butt stock pretty dinged up.

Ogtree
03-15-2010, 12:22 PM
Here are some photos of S/147/G #3064f. Everything matches but the cleaning rod, which has #90 and what I think is an E/63 acceptance.

Ogtree
03-15-2010, 12:24 PM
More photos of S/147/G # 3064f

Ogtree
03-15-2010, 12:26 PM
Last photos of #3064f

flattop379
03-18-2010, 08:29 PM
bruce i own a 1938 jp sauer s-147 all matching except bolt mm but matches itself and 1o inch rod numbered 49 instead of 25 . serial #6325 no letter suffix . matching parts include stock annd fore arm trigger gaurd plate screws butt plate both upper and lower bands rear sights numbered correctly but walter e/359 inspected . both reciever and barrel have droop eagle stamps all other parts e/214 marked . sling marked on buckle d&c . the stock is walnut as is the hand guard but is shiney. bought this k98 from the son of vet that brough it home no duffle cut . non import mark . i have know for 25 years in the town i live. although the vet has died . i do not have the capablie to take pictures yet sorry. ed ps a little late for kriegsmodell but i also byf44 2914-h total mismactched , reciever unnumbered , barrel seril# both e/135 inspected . ed

pzjgr
03-20-2010, 06:27 PM
My list, again Farb has full data sheets...

1937 S/147 9405 m

1942 ce (slant) 605 c

1942 ce (slant) 6472 s

1943 ce (block) 3836 ff

Nabs
05-05-2010, 11:56 PM
1940 J.P Sauer & Son, serial number: 1892T, barrel matches.

She is a Russian capture and is mis-matched but she is in excellent condition. She shoots great too.

ledge
05-18-2010, 12:25 PM
I am new to this site and new to MOD 98K so some question may be lame.
I have recently purchased a RC. I have learned that it is S/147 1937 SN 7721. It appears to be a mix master, currently it is with my gunsmith being looked at.
I am confused about ammo, when I shop for ammo I see 8mm/57mm muauser and aslo 8mm/57mm .323
dia. what is the difference?
when the Germans rebarreled thier rifles did they always stamp the SN on the side of the barrel? is there
anyway to tell what year the barrel was made? the bore on mine looks real good and matchs SN to the
reciever.
The SN on the bolt does not match the reciever is this problem?(well there is an eched SN on the safety.
I am used to the M1 garand where mix match parts is not a real issue.
Thanks for any help you can give me
John

Turbo Archie
05-19-2010, 09:30 AM
For Paul:

1938


http://www.k98kforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4947&d=1274275822
http://www.k98kforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4948&d=1274275822




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3371940
05-19-2010, 02:29 PM
Hey TA is that a "v?" If it is and the rifle is a 147, 1938, that would be the new high serial.

Turbo Archie
05-19-2010, 02:58 PM
Not even gunna guess at these stupid letter blocks.



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Loewe
05-19-2010, 03:30 PM
I was thinking "c" block, as much as anything because of the BC which is darn early (compared to the other 4 documented..); the manner in which it is arranged (BC) is the later style though.

Is this an S/147 receiver or just 147? How is the receiver serialed? Is the suffix clearer?

Anyway, thanks TA, much appreciated! Now I have 5 147/38's BC recorded!


Hey TA is that a "v?" If it is and the rifle is a 147, 1938, that would be the new high serial.

Turbo Archie
05-19-2010, 03:42 PM
What about O block?

s/147
It is e/214 x 3
and e/214 on all parts less rear site which is e/359



http://www.k98kforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4949&d=1274298151




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Loewe
05-19-2010, 04:17 PM
From what has been documented, an "o" block wouldn't have the "S" prefix code (S/147), as S&S seems to drop the "S" around the g-i block (latest with S/147 is an early "g" block, next rifles are 2 "i" blocks, one very early, and neither have the "S" prefix, -neither do any rifles after them, however I do think there was some overlap to the change)

The numerous e/214 is also good sign of an “c” block, as an “o” block would usually have some e/37, as that was roughly the transition from e/214 to e/37 acceptance.

I would say the rifle is an "c" block, and that is why I asked if it has an "S" prefix code as we know roughly when S&S dropped the "S" prefix, and it would eliminate "o" and "v" if it had the "S/147” (imo of course)

Anyway, great addition to my files! Early rifles are hard to get BC off of!



What about O block?

s/147
It is e/214 x 3
and e/214 on all parts less rear site which is e/359



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Badger
05-20-2010, 05:24 AM
1939 Code 147 K98k Serial # 6291(s)
(Mfg by JP Sauer und Sohn Gewehrfabrik, Suhl)

http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerdog/germanservicerifles/1939147jpsauerk98k/icons/DSC01954Medium.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerdog/germanservicerifles/1939147jpsauerk98k/DSC01954Medium.jpg)(Click PIC to Enlarge)http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerdog/germanservicerifles/1939147jpsauerk98k/icons/DSC01933Medium.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerdog/germanservicerifles/1939147jpsauerk98k/DSC01933Medium.jpg)

1939 Code 147 K98k Rifle (134 pic virtual tour) (http://imageevent.com/badgerdog/germanservicerifles/1939147jpsauerk98k)

Hope this helps to add to the database …

Regards,
Doug

3371940
05-20-2010, 09:14 AM
I was thinking "c" block, as much as anything because of the BC which is darn early (compared to the other 4 documented..); the manner in which it is arranged (BC) is the later style though.

Is this an S/147 receiver or just 147? How is the receiver serialed? Is the suffix clearer?

Anyway, thanks TA, much appreciated! Now I have 5 147/38's BC recorded!


OK. Looking at the new pics in post 17 I have to agree that it is a "c" block. That and the fact that it has an s prefix in the code. I was thrown off by the first set of pics.

Loewe
05-20-2010, 02:19 PM
Sure it does!

Had it for awhile now, and 1939 S&S isn't a heavily reported mfg/date either!



1939 Code 147 K98k Serial # 6291(s)
(Mfg by JP Sauer und Sohn Gewehrfabrik, Suhl)
1939 Code 147 K98k Rifle (134 pic virtual tour) (http://imageevent.com/badgerdog/germanservicerifles/1939147jpsauerk98k)

Hope this helps to add to the database …

Regards,
Doug

vaughn99
05-20-2010, 09:11 PM
I hear you all these year and i only have 38 observed!!!




Sure it does!

Had it for awhile now, and 1939 S&S isn't a heavily reported mfg/date either!

ledge
06-03-2010, 12:46 PM
I have a s/147 1937 MOD 98 the under side of the barrel has a old style german G over 402D stamped. can
can anyone tell me what that tells be about the barrel?

Doug Strong
06-04-2010, 09:24 PM
I might as well post here my Sauer

I have a CE (Block letters) 44
SN: 995 O series
Mod 98 (gothic script)
All matching except for the bolt which is a total mix.
Repro cleaning rod, sight hood and sling.
Stamped bands, milled band spring.
Milled dtigger housing and floorplate.
Russian Capture (or other eastern European nation) Most Waffenamts and eagles obliterated. Waffenamts in tact on sight. WA280.
No finish left.
Shoots like a dream!

3371940
06-04-2010, 09:36 PM
I might as well post here my Sauer

I have a CE (Block letters) 44
SN: 995 O series
Mod 98 (gothic script)
All matching except for the bolt which is a total mix.
Repro cleaning rod, sight hood and sling.
Stamped bands, milled band spring.
Milled dtigger housing and floorplate.
Russian Capture (or other eastern European nation) Most Waffenamts and eagles obliterated. Waffenamts in tact on sight. WA280.
No finish left.
Shoots like a dream!

Doug Strong:

Welcome to the forum. Looks like it might be one of the so called "Romanian Capture" rifles that are typically mostly matching, save bolt, and pinged. Thanks for posting.

Doug Strong
06-04-2010, 09:43 PM
Doug Strong:

Welcome to the forum. Looks like it might be one of the so called "Romanian Capture" rifles that are typically mostly matching, save bolt, and pinged. Thanks for posting.

I was wondering about that. My others are Rusian captures and they don't look like this one.

I'm glad to have found the forum. I found it based on a note in my Kreigsmodell book. I really like it. I don't have any pristine or beautiful or valuable rifles but I have quite a few (about 20) rifles from Germany. Most are late 19th century or WWII period.

mrfarb
06-05-2010, 07:51 AM
Welcome to the forum Doug, and thanks for posting your CE44! I have one very close in serial.

Doug Strong
06-07-2010, 03:26 PM
Welcome to the forum Doug, and thanks for posting your CE44! I have one very close in serial.

After reading BOTW I noticed they have one that is only a few hundred earlier in the same steries. Although it is earlier it has a stamped (and therefore later style) trigger guard. Mine is milled. What does your have? Is it earlier or later in the series?

mrfarb
06-07-2010, 05:24 PM
Doug, mine is # 570 o and it has a stamped byf triggerguard.

3371940
06-08-2010, 12:09 AM
mine, 2189 "o", same combo as Farb's.

Doug Strong
06-16-2010, 10:15 PM
I stripped mine down last night and found that the trigger guard does not have any waffenamts or serial number on it.

Is it a replacement?

The finish matches perfectly but there is no number. If it is wrong I could swap it out for a stamped wa135 trigger guard I have sitting here.

mrfarb
06-17-2010, 07:47 AM
I stripped mine down last night and found that the trigger guard does not have any waffenamts or serial number on it.

Is it a replacement?

The finish matches perfectly but there is no number. If it is wrong I could swap it out for a stamped wa135 trigger guard I have sitting here.

Hard to say- if the guard is WW2 looking, I would leave it.

Doug Strong
06-17-2010, 09:53 AM
It devinately looks like a WWII period piece and looks just like the ones that Sauer was using before switching to the stamped guards. It has been with the rifle for years and it matches in finish exactly. I'll leave it alone.

Any idea what month the o block was being made?

Do you have a data sheet format such as the one in the Kriegsmodell book that you use in excel or pdf format?

JPW
06-17-2010, 12:28 PM
Hi all,

Im a new member, that joined after seeing your thread on J.P. Sauer.

I have a CE 41 with 100% matching numbers (SN 4170) it also includes the Luftwaffe stamp on the reciever and barrel. My concern is with the luster of most of the metal bands / trigger guard / butt plate, they almost appear to be nickel, although it is not new, and looks 60 yrs old.

My first thought was it may have been dressed up for a VFW parade or something. However, after seeing some of the pictures posted in this thread, I see that others have this shinny finish as well.
Was this common to the era and/or J.P. Sauer? I have not seen it on any other Mauser, but have never seen any other Pre or Early war 147/CE.

Thanks for any thoughts.

mrfarb
06-17-2010, 08:01 PM
It devinately looks like a WWII period piece and looks just like the ones that Sauer was using before switching to the stamped guards. It has been with the rifle for years and it matches in finish exactly. I'll leave it alone.

Any idea what month the o block was being made?

Do you have a data sheet format such as the one in the Kriegsmodell book that you use in excel or pdf format?

We used a template for those data sheets, but are working on a different one for the next book.

mrfarb
06-17-2010, 08:02 PM
Hi all,

Im a new member, that joined after seeing your thread on J.P. Sauer.

I have a CE 41 with 100% matching numbers (SN 4170) it also includes the Luftwaffe stamp on the reciever and barrel. My concern is with the luster of most of the metal bands / trigger guard / butt plate, they almost appear to be nickel, although it is not new, and looks 60 yrs old.

My first thought was it may have been dressed up for a VFW parade or something. However, after seeing some of the pictures posted in this thread, I see that others have this shinny finish as well.
Was this common to the era and/or J.P. Sauer? I have not seen it on any other Mauser, but have never seen any other Pre or Early war 147/CE.

Thanks for any thoughts.

It's hard to say without seeing photos of the rifle. Can you post some?

JPW
06-17-2010, 09:48 PM
Here are some photos

JPW
06-17-2010, 09:56 PM
a few more.

Sorry, I am a much better shot with a rifle than a camera.
After closer inspection, it may be that the parts were polished sometime in the past. As you will see, the shine does not go all the way through the trigger guard or the sling clamp.

I am not very educated on the mauser, but have never seen anything like this before.

Schriv
08-14-2010, 01:56 PM
I just brought home a Type III, S/147/G. Serial number 360 'd'. The barrel and receiver match, the rest is typical RC mismatch. The Weimar eagles and other stampings are crisp and easy to make out. Unfortunately, so is the RC 'x' on the top of the receiver.
It came in a well used, cupped buttplate laminate stock with a bolt through the wrist. As soon as I have her all cleaned up, I'll be putting her in a walnut stock I bought from Mario.

denny gaither
08-22-2010, 05:15 PM
147 1939 # 8299n All matching, including set screws except the bolt is an unnumbered Mauser replacement bolt.

ce 42 (slanted) #2407c All matching except the sliding piece on the rear sight.

John Lawson
10-20-2010, 08:36 PM
Bcd 4 e/37 acceptance on right receiver, serial 6393 t (cursive), small eagle firing proof. Barrel code ce dg e/37 (twice). Not RC, NIM. Matching stock, serial numbers in stock channels, small take down disk, small e/37 on keel, small eagle, large H. Most bolt parts have i or l. TG stamped byf 135 no number, FP numbered and machined. Butt cap red primer, stamped jvd.

Osage
02-06-2011, 09:10 AM
RC but the receiver/barrel are 1937, 3969 h. I believe the stock could be 1937/38 also. What do you think? Maybe a lucky match? The number in the channel on the stock is 450?. Can't make out the last digit.

denny gaither
02-21-2011, 01:08 PM
Matching S/147 1936 ser. no. 3602b. All original....

oswald621
02-25-2011, 01:33 PM
1943 block 'CE' 4593 'n?' Not really sure what the letter block is. The '3' looks struck over another number, but all the bolt parts, trigger guard, rear sight components, and floorplate have a '3'.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg254/oswald621/guns/ce43_1626.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg254/oswald621/guns/ce43_1611.jpg


1942 script 'CE' 6269 'g'.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg254/oswald621/guns/ce42_1147.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg254/oswald621/guns/ce42_1149.jpg

vaughn99
02-25-2011, 09:34 PM
the CE 43 is w (W) block

the plumber
03-05-2011, 06:00 PM
I have two 147/ 1939 ser#6751r all maching w/sling captur papers stock has J coffey VE day may 7 1945 carved on stock ser#4254s all maching W/sling

the plumber
03-05-2011, 06:05 PM
I have two 147/ 1939 ser#6751r all maching w/sling captur papers stock has J coffey VE day may 7 1945 carved on stock ser#4254s all maching W/sling

BerlinerLuebecker
03-07-2011, 12:22 PM
I have a bolt-mismatch S/147, serial 9249, 1936. Weimar eagles, H-marked stock, WaA 214 on the stock and various parts, with an additonal WaA 115 on the receiver (next to two 214 stamps). Bolt matches itself with serial 1472b. Stock-disk is marked N1098 with a WaA 214 and the letter "k".

3371940
03-07-2011, 11:09 PM
I have a bolt-mismatch S/147, serial 9249, 1936. Weimar eagles, H-marked stock, WaA 214 on the stock and various parts, with an additonal WaA 115 on the receiver (next to two 214 stamps). Bolt matches itself with serial 1472b. Stock-disk is marked N1098 with a WaA 214 and the letter "k".

Interesting. MIne is 1206 "a" and N 1202 on the disk...

carldoc
03-09-2011, 04:23 PM
R/C dated 1938, 147 code, #390 r
R/C dated 1939, 147 code, #3614 d
R/C dated 1940, 147 code, #9033 u
Vet Bringback dated 43, ce code #4884 bb. All matching except bolt, bolt matches itself.

oswald621
03-09-2011, 08:24 PM
1939 '147', ser # 5527
1944 block 'CE' ser # 2992 'M'.

WaA623
03-09-2011, 08:37 PM
ce-41-8091a
ce-43-4793y
ce-44-9840a
All matching inside and out

kar66
03-13-2011, 12:23 PM
I have ce/44 9178u. It's matching with bolt proofed 1, qnw triggerguard w/o #s, milled floorplate also w/o #s, stamped bands w #s, white glue stock matching w/ small eagle/ large H, bbl. code slant ce di e/37 e/37, rear sight e/280 w/#s, bayonet lug not marked. R.R. e/280, e/37. R. L. firing proof, script MOD 98. Bill

Hgyone12
04-01-2011, 09:42 PM
Here's my list. Let me know if you need photos.
Condition Code Type Date Serial No. Receiver
Bolt Mismatch S/147/G 1935 9547a Small slant script, Type II
Bolt Mismatch S/147/G 1935 8436d Larger slant script, Type III
Stock Mismatch S/147 1936 4552a Slant Script
Mismatch S/147 1936 8434b Slant Script
Stock/Bolt mm S/147 1937 2916l Slant Script
Bolt Mismatch 147 1938 2080i Slant Script
Stock Mismatch 147 1938 3456k Slant Script
Bolt Mismatch 147 1939 653 k Slant Script
Stock/Bolt mm 147 1939 7714 r Slant Script
Stock/Bolt mm 147 1939 8773m Slant Script
Partially matching 147 1940 2891a Slant Script
Restoration 147 1940 7023g Slant Script
Stock/Bolt mm 147 1940 5578h Slant Script
Matching 147 1940 2242n Slant Script
Stock Mismatch 147 1940 43t Slant Script
Matching 147 1940 3985t Slant Script
Restoration 147 1940 9391t Slant Script
Stock/Bolt mm 147 1940 9303 v Slant Script
Restoration CE 1941 5504r Slant Script
Stock Mismatch CE 1941 6605a Slant Script
Restoration CE 1941 4008r Slant Script
Matching CE 1941 6018u Slant Script
Restoration CE 1941 5697b Slant Script
Restoration CE 1942 72h Slant Script
Matching CE 1942 1276 Slant Script - Short side rail sniper
Bolt Mismatch CE 1942 1583 o Vertical Script
Restoration CE 1943 3382l Block Script
Restoration CE 1943 3912c Block Script
Partially matching CE 1943 6046 l Slant Script
Matching CE 1943 9880f Slant Script
Restoration CE 1944 7886d Block Script
Stock Mismatch CE 1944 145 v Block Script
Bolt mm bcd 4 1944 1568a E/37 top
Bolt/Stock mm bcd 4 1944 6972x E/37 top & right

carguy
08-13-2011, 09:52 PM
19069Here is my Russan capture kriegsmodell, no bayonet or cleaning rod. Bore is spotless! and shoo19068ts great!

Mauserguy85
10-25-2011, 08:11 AM
CE 41 RC Rguns Import
Serial 3931 "L"
Mod 98 block styling
Barrel marked with matching serial and dfb ct 40 with 3 WaA4 proofs.

2200622329


CE42 slant script recent SOG Import
Serial 3929 "b"
Mod 98 block styling
Barrel marked with matching serial and dfb EV 41 with 3 WaA4 proofs
Barrel, sight bases and trigger assembly match receiver

220072200822009

CE43 Vertical Script Receiver, bolt stop and trigger assembly match
Serial 9352 "d"
Mod 98 Gothic styling
WaA280 on receiver

2201022011

CE44 NIM all matching except stock sporter rescue with unnumbered stamped bands
Sitting now on late CE Norweigian Stock with an original unmarked buttplate
Serial 5231 "r" ? on barrel. Receiver serial blank
Top receiver E/37 proof. E/37 and E/280 on right side.
Mod 98 Gothic styling
Barrel Marked CE dg with 2 deep E/37 proofs

220122201322014

BCD4 Finished by Sauer
NIM all matching except stock sporter rescue with unnumbered stamped bands
Sitting now on an original german late CE white glue laminate stock
Serial 4675 "t" on barrel. Receiver serial blank
Top receiver E/37 Proof and E/37 right side with "1" and small Eagle
Mod 98 Block styling
Barrel Marked CE DO with deep E/37 proof

220152201622017

If more info is needed, just ask....

Loewe
10-25-2011, 03:23 PM
Can you do images of the right receiver on the ce/41?

The ce/42 with the dfb (BSW) barrel, are you sure that is e/37 on the "barrel"? Should be e/4, also what is the character before the "V" on the barrel? It should be a two character code- probably "FV".

The ce/44 should have a lot number in the barrel code?



If more info is needed, just ask....

Mauserguy85
10-25-2011, 04:14 PM
Can you do images of the right receiver on the ce/41?

The ce/42 with the dfb (BSW) barrel, are you sure that is e/37 on the "barrel"? Should be e/4, also what is the character before the "V" on the barrel? It should be a two character code- probably "FV".

The ce/44 should have a lot number in the barrel code?

You will have the info you request on late Thursday night.

My apologies, the info and photos will have to wait until Monday. Im on a business trip and left my guns at home... :(

Loewe
10-25-2011, 04:27 PM
Thanks, - BSW-dfb sub-contract barrels are not commonly encountered, and only in a fairly narrow range on S&S.

Mauserguy85
10-31-2011, 08:24 AM
Thanks, - BSW-dfb sub-contract barrels are not commonly encountered, and only in a fairly narrow range on S&S.

Posted up the extra/corrected info and picture in my original post. My apologies for the delay. You were right about the questionable e/37 proofs, they were in fact WaA4. Would you say that the ce42 with the dfb barrel is rare or uncommon? If so, it's such a shame that the bore is garbage.

Loewe
10-31-2011, 03:07 PM
Thanks for the clarification, - regarding rarity, I do not think many things regarding the Kar98k can be called rare, but speaking of barrel coding some makers are far less common than others. In this case 936-dfb (BSW-Gustloff Werke Suhl) barrels are rather uncommon on JP Sauer production but seen 1940-1942. So far 1941 is most common, 1942 next and 1940 the scarcest recorded, but I think this is more an issue with early rifles being less prone to have BC where you can see them (above the wood and owners are reluctant to disassemble) and partial "936" codes are hard to identify unless you can see "936" or the waffenamt e/4. I think 1940 S&S rifles are greatly under reported.

Certainly 1942 are the scarcest of all though, and this is clearly a product of rationalization, - the period when firms were focused on a narrower range of products based upon that firms ability-capacity and the needs of the Army. Gustloff Werke Suhl was re-focused primarily on the MG42, dropping the 98k barrels to focus on MG 42 barrels. (They had moved their 98k production to their Weimar facility in early 1939, only continuing with barrels)

In reality I doubt S&S (Sauer) needed much help with barrels, that was their main part they made, and they had CGH to help (they were no slouch on barrel finishing), and you do not see a great deal of barrel sub-contractor use on S&S assembly.


Posted up the extra/corrected info and picture in my original post. My apologies for the delay. You were right about the questionable e/37 proofs, they were in fact WaA4. Would you say that the ce42 with the dfb barrel is rare or uncommon? If so, it's such a shame that the bore is garbage.

WESTBURY
12-26-2011, 08:20 PM
I am new to the K98k Forum and will start posting the data on my 98k's.

1.) J.P. Sauer S/147 1937 49 "o" block
NIM
All matching except safety, bolt sleeve, and cocking piece. All of these are unmarked.
Additionally, the cleaning rod has the 214 WaA, but is numbered "31".

All other markings conform to the descriptions shown on page 49 of Law's book.

2.) J.P. Sauer CE 41 164 "m" block
NIM
All matching except un-numbered/ un-marked cleaning rod.

All other markings conform to the descriptions shown on page 171 of Law's book.

As I just retired this month, I will have plenty of time to post pictures of the above in the very near future.

In the mean time, where can I obtain the "Data Sheets", which are occaisionally refered to on the Forum,
so that I may fill them out.

Aboreal77
02-06-2012, 03:02 PM
I have S/147/G #3064f. The rifle matches except for the short cleaning rod, which is #90 and appears to have an Eagle/63 WaA. The bore is very good. The stock is correctly numbered inside and out. The handguard is numbered inside. The only unusual thing about this rifle is the number on the band spring. The full number, 3064, is on the back of the spring, facing the stock instead of on the side facing up.
I will be taking photos for Mike and will post them.
I bought this rifle 6 years ago from David Condon in Middleburg, VA. It is the oldest matching K98k I have seen, personally. I would love to see others.

Ogtree

I purchased a Mauser rifle for $50.00. 1938 S/27 7Kp147 ser.# 7981 all matching has been sportsterized...with jeweled bolt, bishop stock, no rear sights. I am considering putting a Redfield micrometer rear sight on it. It shoots good. I'd appreciate any info on it. Jim Lucas jhumptydumpty999@hotmail.com

Loewe
02-07-2012, 06:30 PM
Welcome to the forum, - regarding the rifle, the 1938 ERMA, the serial 7981, has it a letter underneath this number? On the right receiver is the eagles over "77" or "280", what style eagles are they? As it is S/27, it should be e/77 and an earlier rifle, up to the "f" block or so.
I assume the 7 Kp 147 is on the barrel? It is an odd barrel code if it is, and would be missing some characters, further it isn't typical for ERMA barrels.

Pictures of these things are best, including any markings on any part that shares the serial number on the receiver (7981), especially the stock if anything remains, but a thorough description will work also.


I purchased a Mauser rifle for $50.00. 1938 S/27 7Kp147 ser.# 7981 all matching has been sportsterized...with jeweled bolt, bishop stock, no rear sights. I am considering putting a Redfield micrometer rear sight on it. It shoots good. I'd appreciate any info on it. Jim Lucas jhumptydumpty999@hotmail.com

gebirgsjager
02-10-2012, 12:00 PM
1938 Sauer, all matching,ser# 415 f

Luft1
02-11-2012, 02:49 PM
Just picked up a neat one from a private collection: S/247/G first variant, serial number 9325. Missing the cleaning rod so if anyone has a 10 incher numbered 25, I am a buyer!!! Very nice original condition and all matching down to the screws with neat early stamps and it is a very nice companion piece to my S/147/K

D-K
02-11-2012, 03:12 PM
Just picked up a neat one from a private collection: S/247/G first variant, serial number 9325. Missing the cleaning rod so if anyone has a 10 incher numbered 25, I am a buyer!!! Very nice original condition and all matching down to the screws with neat early stamps and it is a very nice companion piece to my S/147/K

Pictures Please... of both.

mrfarb
02-11-2012, 03:37 PM
You mean S/243 G?

RyanE
02-11-2012, 03:44 PM
You mean S/243 G?

From the "first variant" comment, I think he means S/147/G and this is the JPS thread...

Luft1
02-12-2012, 11:00 AM
Yep: 147 meant and a fat finger ended up with 247. The S/147/K pictures are, I think, in the next volume. Still cleaning the G

mauser99
02-14-2012, 08:34 AM
I just handled this one. s/147/k serial # 1395 r.f.v. # 1776 on buttplate. matching down to the cleaning rod.. Sorry no barrel code..

gebirgsjager
02-14-2012, 10:52 AM
I'm sorry. I just gave the ser#. What other info did you want?

Dr.Mauser
02-15-2012, 03:33 AM
1938 S/147 Serial is 491L:2787427875278762787927880

sheepdog
02-18-2012, 06:28 PM
So I haven't been a noob on a gun forum in a while but I just obtained a RC Mauser. The receiver, barrel, and stock all have 5544 stamped on them, on top of the receiver is S/147 and 1937. J.P. Sauer & Sohn. The bore is close to perfect. Everything else is Frankensteined. Here's the big question. I have a laminate stock with a 1941 bpr cupped buttplate but the number stamped on the left side of the stock matches the receiver and barrel. I thought laminates came out later. No peened anything, no XXXs anywhere.So would have a German armorer changed out the stock or some Russian and just stamped 5544 on the stock.

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy345/sheepdog54/mauserfinished1.jpg

Got what was left of the nasty Russian red shellac, at least 1/3 had already come off but tried to keep the old German in it. Didn't want the Mitchell's look.

Dr.Mauser
02-18-2012, 08:25 PM
Its a yugo refurb stock, they force matched the stock.

sheepdog
02-19-2012, 08:35 AM
Its a yugo refurb stock, they force matched the stock.

Don't think it's a Yugo stock, the numbers are parallel to the bore, Yugo stocks numbers are printed at a 90 degree angle to the bore according to my Mauser buddy at another board. Just a Rooskie force match. Bought it as a shooter so no big deal. Will find the proper flat buttface stock for it eventually.

Bullwinkle
02-19-2012, 11:11 PM
... Rifle not found ...

ccubed
03-04-2012, 06:39 AM
Sheepdog,

You have a very unique, almost lucky, I would say, RC configuration. First, Russian stock numbering runs parallel to the bore, not perpendicular to it; so, you are right on that one (just for the record). You are also correct in thinking that a laminated, cupped buttplate stock is incorrect for a 1937 K98k. What you just happen to have is a JP Sauer stock on your JP Sauer rifle - which, IMHO, is pretty lucky for an RC. Granted, it doesn't belong on your rifle, but on some later dated JPS K98k. If you can get some shots of the barrel channel, someone may be able to help you figure out exactly what year K98k that stock should go on.

You need to understand that RC's are (almost always) total mix-matches. That includes stocks & buttplates, etc. So, it's not that some German armorer put that stock on your rifle, and the Russians numbered it. That stock was on some other rifle, and then put on your rifle, and then numbered.


So I haven't been a noob on a gun forum in a while but I just obtained a RC Mauser. The receiver, barrel, and stock all have 5544 stamped on them, on top of the receiver is S/147 and 1937. J.P. Sauer & Sohn. The bore is close to perfect. Everything else is Frankensteined. Here's the big question. I have a laminate stock with a 1941 bpr cupped buttplate but the number stamped on the left side of the stock matches the receiver and barrel. I thought laminates came out later. No peened anything, no XXXs anywhere.So would have a German armorer changed out the stock or some Russian and just stamped 5544 on the stock.

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy345/sheepdog54/mauserfinished1.jpg

Got what was left of the nasty Russian red shellac, at least 1/3 had already come off but tried to keep the old German in it. Didn't want the Mitchell's look.

sheepdog
03-08-2012, 07:52 PM
Well my luck seems to be good since here's my new stock.

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy345/sheepdog54/Mauserwalnutstock.jpg

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy345/sheepdog54/100_1398.jpg

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy345/sheepdog54/Mauserwalnutstockcartouche.jpg

A pretty deep WaA214 and a deep army H above it. Can't make out the small Waffenmark on the bottom but I can tell there are numbers on it. Damn deep RC numbers on the left side.


Here's the numbers in the barrel channel of the laminate stock I took off it.

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy345/sheepdog54/100_1405.jpg

Look like 3 Na 3 39 42 with the serial nunber 3589
Large Waffenmark on the right side that I can't make out with a large H above it an O or 0 in the sling channel on the left side and what appears to be a 6 in the bolt recess. That's all I can find on it. It is a pretty red glue laminate stock.

More questions what's with the copper colored ejector and bolt release? Would this be a Sauer item too? And I read about serial number blocks, I can't tell if mine is 5544c or 5544e. Where can I find the info on serial number blocks. It's a great shooter, I think I'm hooked.

sheepdog
03-08-2012, 08:03 PM
And again I thank the folks here for any knowledge shared to this Mauser beginner. S&Ws I know, Mausers I don't.:thumbsup:

Ronnie Fry
03-17-2012, 11:44 PM
Here is 147, 1940 -1444v.
I just cleaned it up and now it's debute... Well used, but not abused. All matching -- except maybe the cleaning rod.. I can't find a number on it. Lots more photos if you wantum'.
Couple of questions...
1. Why the Walther E/359 proof on the receiver?
2. Are the #'s in the bbl. channel the actual date of mfg??

rock doc
03-20-2012, 12:41 PM
Came into possession of a 1935 Sauer K98, SN 8206 S147G. It has Weimar Republic marks. The walnut stock has been butchered (duffel cut), and the sling-slot hole and disc were filled in the butt area of the stock.
I want to find a replacement authentic stock for this. What should I look for, and any suggestions on sellers?

sheepdog
03-20-2012, 09:03 PM
http://www.k98stocks.com/

sheepdog
04-09-2012, 07:43 PM
Oh my 1937 RC Sauer's serial number is 5544L to whoever keeping a record of them.

CanadianAR
04-15-2012, 05:44 PM
ce41 8978 t NIM, Bolt MM

k98k learner
06-13-2012, 11:00 AM
jp sauer and sohn 1939 serial number 4565 r in cursive script 147. The bolt and receiver match as does most pieces I do believe the stock doesn't match. It does however have the eagle over swastika on butt stock. I am new here so i hope that this will help.

Loewe
09-08-2012, 05:39 PM
Welcome to the forum, what waffenamts are on the right side of the receiver? What does the siderail look like? Can you see the barrel code? How is the barrel marked?



jp sauer and sohn 1939 serial number 4565 r in cursive script 147. The bolt and receiver match as does most pieces I do believe the stock doesn't match. It does however have the eagle over swastika on butt stock. I am new here so i hope that this will help.

sheepdog
09-08-2012, 06:05 PM
1937 Sauer J.P. Sauer 4839M all matching including buttplate, screws, extractor, extractor ring, firing pin, everything except the WaA 655 front band that looks like it belongs anyway. At some time the stock which is duffle cut but hidden by the rear band appears to have been sanded lightly, the cartouches in front of the takedown disk are gone but one is under the grip and the serial number is readable and matches the rifle. Hand guard does too.

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy345/sheepdog54/mauserreceiver.jpg

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy345/sheepdog54/100_1587.jpg

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy345/sheepdog54/matchingmauserboltsleevesafetycockingpiece.jpg

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy345/sheepdog54/mausercockingpiece.jpg

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy345/sheepdog54/mauserfloorplate.jpg

http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy345/sheepdog54/matchingmauserbore-1.jpg

Heerwaffen2012
12-15-2012, 12:57 PM
I have a Jp Sauer s/137 Russian capture k98 with matching stock correct serial number under the barrel on the stock but the rest is pretty mismatched. Markings include several large Weimar eagles. Serial number is 8970

ruddyhair
08-18-2013, 05:52 PM
First post - I'm glad to be here! Bought this RC from Classic Arms back when they still were in stock. Probably 5-6 years ago. It's a CE 43 w/ serial# 106 i --- Model 98 is in old script.

Stock matches but from what I can tell matching ends there. Haven't stripped it but I do know that the bolt and floor plate are not numbered. Bore is excellent and pitting is very minimal. Overall a very nice example. I will see about posting some pics if anyone is interested. Not sure if I should take off the reddish gloss in the stock or leave it be as a historical captured piece.

Best,
Jonathan

my66coupe
09-04-2013, 07:51 PM
I went through all pages but could not find photographic evidence that J.P. Sauer had any markings under the bolt release on the stock. I have a late 30 (35-39?) JP stock with WaA214 Weimar eagles that has "43" stamped in the wood right where the bolt release lever goes. I have heard that this is a common place for a stamping but havent found any others.

plymouthmauser
01-04-2014, 08:28 PM
1939/147 all matching

serial: 5693 i-block
proofs: e/359, e/37, e/37
barrel code: S39D66
rear band is a 1938 left over Sauer e/214
replacement unmarked cleaning rod
armorer's replacement rear trigger screw
armorer's replacement milled band spring

Another totally matching 1939/147 I saw on GunBoker:

serial: 3801 i-block
proofs: e/359, e/37, e/37
barrel code: S39D780
no cleaning rod

itwillis
01-27-2014, 02:17 AM
Russian Capture

8177a
S/147 1937
Old eagles on the receiver, left to right 359-214-214

Anything else I should look for?

plymouthmauser
01-29-2014, 10:45 PM
Barrel code is helpful to the mods.

T.

BATANGUENO
01-30-2014, 01:55 PM
I have this ones from Sauer in my collection ;

one S/147 k (Russian capture) nr 6403 (no suffix) right on the receiver, left ,WaA 114 and 116 and S/147 k
on top just the X-cross (russian capture)
on the barrel just the reichsmark eagle and matching serialnumber no barrelcode
this rifle is with matching serialnumbers but some parts are done with an electric pen like on G43 parts,the stock is laminated....

my other one is;

one ce 44 on the receiver no serial number only the eagle on the left and WaA 280 and 37 right on the receiver
on top ce 44 and the army eagle
on the barrel fxo DB ( Haenel, Suhl ? ) nr 6404 o and WaA 37
this rifle is with a totally matching serialnumber everywhere
the stock is a late version laminated wood and very light not dark .

skeebinz
02-03-2014, 06:39 PM
CE 41, all matching...no duffle cut or import marks.

Serial: 8920 d-block
Reciever markings: e/359, e/37, e/37
Barrel code: 936 132 40 D93 with (3) e/4's

Stock is unsanded but appears to have been worked with something (steel wool probably) you can still see the H for Heer as well as both waffenamts, there is 1 on the pistol grip area as well, and the serial and 2 more waffenamts are on the spine. Inside the stock has the serial, and then has "Na 2 41 40".

Scattered e/37's and 3/359's all over.

itwillis
02-16-2014, 03:20 AM
Russian Capture

8177a
S/147 1937
Old eagles on the receiver, left to right 359-214-214

Anything else I should look for?

Adding another:

S/147 1938
2303c
E(swastika)359, E(old)214, E(old)214 receiver proofs
Barrel code ɕ38 over 547D with three WaA214

390
03-21-2014, 02:25 AM
ce41 RC, serial #2131t, barrel code S85341GS, receiver markings L to R e/211, e/37, e/37

Loewe
03-21-2014, 04:24 PM
The e/211 receivers are scarce, only a couple known, does yours have a "asterisk" under the e/211? The barrel code, are some of the numbers smaller than others, might it be S853 41 G S

If you have the capability, can you take the rifle out of stock and look for any other markings on the receivers, - it is curious this e/211 on such a rifle, I would have thought e/214 had two others not been photographed, but e/211 is only known on a short period for MO & MB, much earlier, and then I have recorded it on a zipper for a FJ piece of gear (cover).

Anyway, also the style of the siderail is also useful on this trends work; I assume yours is a Mod.98 bold, not script? The others are, so i assume your is also.

390
03-22-2014, 02:58 AM
Ha....awsome! An anomaly! I thought that might be an odd stamp from what I've learned since taking an interest in these rifles. Had to go back and look at it again to make sure it really is an e/211 after you mentioned it was odd to see it on this rifle:biggrin1:Yep, it has an asterisk underneath it and the e/211 is smaller than the e/37's. As far as the barrel code goes, the S and GS are a larger font than the rest

I can absolutely tear it down to check for any other markings...is there anything in particular I should be looking for? I probably won't have a chance until mid next week though. I can take some pics as well and post them too if you'd like.

And lastly....its the Mod.98 bold on the siderail

bjarne
03-22-2014, 04:17 AM
ce 43 6134 w block matching
ce 43 535 L block matching
147 1938 9229 m block matching

Hope you can use this
Regards bjarne

Loewe
03-22-2014, 02:16 PM
Thanks, - I am not sure what I would be looking for, but possibly if it had a logo or some symbol I would recognize it might identify the maker (waffenamt are inspectors, they move around, you cannot always associate a manufacturer by the inspector, typically they are regional anyway, - the larger areas, like Berlin had numerous waffenamt-inspectors, all working at the same time at different firms, apparently by specialty). I was thinking these receivers might be leftovers, maybe old MO-MB receivers, or not, but the others I have recorded do not show below the wood line and it is possible a clue could be had by looking.

Last night I also remembered another use of this queer acceptance pattern, this use of waffenamt e/211, they are known on a very few G12/34 (the so-call G29ö made by SDP) from 1939, on a handful of rifles the first position (same as yours for the hardening of the receiver) has a e/211 inspector, different style but same inspector, no asterisk in this case.

This is generally not known, but in both cases it is confirmed and if we could get a good look at a rifle, discover the origin or purpose of this inspector, I am sure Mike and Bruce would want to discuss this in their next book.

If anyone has a G12/34 from the latter “b” block, check your RR, if you have a ce/41 from the r-t blocks (anything around this range, the vast majority will be e/359) also check your RR, - you could have a rifle Mike and Bruce might like to include in their Vol.II


Ha....awsome! An anomaly! I thought that might be an odd stamp from what I've learned since taking an interest in these rifles. Had to go back and look at it again to make sure it really is an e/211 after you mentioned it was odd to see it on this rifle:biggrin1:Yep, it has an asterisk underneath it and the e/211 is smaller than the e/37's. As far as the barrel code goes, the S and GS are a larger font than the rest

I can absolutely tear it down to check for any other markings...is there anything in particular I should be looking for? I probably won't have a chance until mid next week though. I can take some pics as well and post them too if you'd like.

And lastly....its the Mod.98 bold on the siderail

390
03-25-2014, 02:50 AM
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Thanks, - I am not sure what I would be looking for, but possibly if it had a logo or some symbol I would recognize it might identify the maker (waffenamt are inspectors, they move around, you cannot always associate a manufacturer by the inspector, typically they are regional anyway, - the larger areas, like Berlin had numerous waffenamt-inspectors, all working at the same time at different firms, apparently by specialty). I was thinking these receivers might be leftovers, maybe old MO-MB receivers, or not, but the others I have recorded do not show below the wood line and it is possible a clue could be had by looking.

Last night I also remembered another use of this queer acceptance pattern, this use of waffenamt e/211, they are known on a very few G12/34 (the so-call G29ö made by SDP) from 1939, on a handful of rifles the first position (same as yours for the hardening of the receiver) has a e/211 inspector, different style but same inspector, no asterisk in this case.

This is generally not known, but in both cases it is confirmed and if we could get a good look at a rifle, discover the origin or purpose of this inspector, I am sure Mike and Bruce would want to discuss this in their next book.

If anyone has a G12/34 from the latter “b” block, check your RR, if you have a ce/41 from the r-t blocks (anything around this range, the vast majority will be e/359) also check your RR, - you could have a rifle Mike and Bruce might like to include in their Vol.II

Hi, managed to get the rifle taken down and took a few pics for you. On the underside of the receiver between the front trigger guard screw location and the magazine cut out there is an eagle with a 359 next to it, below that there is a W and below that is an....asterisk? On either side of those markings there is an 11 and a 7. on the front face of the area machined for the trigger guard screw is a number 6 and immediately to the left side of that is the number 38. There is also an e/37 below the woodline on the left side of the receiver near where the barrel threads into the receiver. There is also a number 7 stamped on the bottom near the front of the rear sight base if that matters. If the pics aren't good enough or you'd like another specific view, let me know...I can reshoot them if need be. Anyway, these were the only markings found. Hope this helps.

Loewe
03-25-2014, 04:40 PM
While there are only a handful of bottom flats to compare this too, it is a little more busy than others I compared, - the "eagle" (I assume a partial waffenamt) and the "359" or similar such markings are not found on the others, but it is hard to say if that is important. Unfortunately this view is rarely shown except by advanced collectors, people doing datasheets or by request, so not enough have been recorded to know what is truly "typical", but from the others known it is different. The "11" is typically there (different numbers), so that is probably related to JPS assembly normally, random markings are also common and they generally have no obvious pattern.

These pictures are fine, thanks for taking the time to do them, perhaps in time others will find this thread and add to your effort and we might be able to develop a pattern.




Hi, managed to get the rifle taken down and took a few pics for you. On the underside of the receiver between the front trigger guard screw location and the magazine cut out there is an eagle with a 359 next to it, below that there is a W and below that is an....asterisk? On either side of those markings there is an 11 and a 7. on the front face of the area machined for the trigger guard screw is a number 6 and immediately to the left side of that is the number 38. There is also an e/37 below the woodline on the left side of the receiver near where the barrel threads into the receiver. There is also a number 7 stamped on the bottom near the front of the rear sight base if that matters. If the pics aren't good enough or you'd like another specific view, let me know...I can reshoot them if need be. Anyway, these were the only markings found. Hope this helps.

connors29
04-28-2014, 08:37 PM
CE 44, 1492M, from dealer, captured by someone, probably not Russians. Both bands and rear sight assembly match the barreled receiver, all other parts non-matching, bolt non-matching. Eagles are hand ground, not peened. only waffenampts are on receiver and underneath barrel.

donki1967
05-04-2014, 04:02 AM
Hello

all parts are matching, but no cleaning road...
Enjoy!
760667606876069

tsmgguy
05-07-2014, 03:17 PM
Here's a link to a thread with photos about my 1943 dated JP Sauer 98k.

http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?11762-43-Sauer-amp-Sohn-98k

Stan
06-05-2014, 10:45 AM
Picked up a ce 41 recently that is matching except for the handguard, lower band, bandspring and bolt release. Also missing cleaning rod and sight hood. Has condition issues of surface rust that someone has vigorously tried to scrub off in a couple places. Also, looks like some old shellac in spots applied long ago. Couldn't pass it up for $150 though.
Serial is 7851 d. Barrel code is S49454 41 DS followed by e/37 X3. Some photos of this homely gal!
Stock channel is marked Na 7 40 40. Would that correlate to Sep. 28, 1940?

Stan
06-05-2014, 10:51 AM
Couple more photos.. sorry for the repeat on the receiver photo.

Loewe
06-05-2014, 02:56 PM
The firing pin is most interesting, not sure that has been seen before, q=Julius Kähler, a very interesting Saxon firm that made parts and special machinery for the clothing, stocking and knitwear makers. A pretty good size company really, but as far as rifles go most of their production went to Gustloff (337-bcd)

Have you any other odd parts on the rifle? The bolt in particular?

Stan
06-05-2014, 03:56 PM
The firing pin is most interesting, not sure that has been seen before, q=Julius Kähler, a very interesting Saxon firm that made parts and special machinery for the clothing, stocking and knitwear makers. A pretty good size company really, but as far as rifles go most of their production went to Gustloff (337-bcd)

Have you any other odd parts on the rifle? The bolt in particular?


Thank you for that info Loewe! Everything else on the bolt and elsewhere seem to have the e/37 stamp, or e/359 (x2 on the rear sight base collar). The lower band(mis-matched) is marked e/4 and is the early type 1 milled, but who knows when or where that came to this rifle. Here are some bolt photos. Can see no marking on the extractor collar.

Stan
06-05-2014, 04:12 PM
Forgot the last bolt photo. Looks like a "W" next to the faint Nazi eagle on the rear of the bolt flat.
Also, there is no "Mod. 98" marking on the receiver siderail. As I recall, some earlier Sauer production had no markings, but thought they started marking them as such in the late 30's. Did they delete it again in 1941?

Loewe
06-05-2014, 04:31 PM
Thanks for the full details on the bolt, very helpful, unfortunately too few are so thoroughly examined or reported and we do not know how common sub-contractors such a Kähler were used for small components by JPS, but it stands to reason they were used increasingly as the war wore on.

Of course, many of the parts were not made by JPS even when marked-inspected by e/37, but all were in the vicinity, as was Z-M and e/359 parts. In time, when more collectors do as you have done, we will know more, so far this is the first I have recorded this firing pin for JPS, but I am sure more are out there.

As to BSW or e/4 inspection, JPS does use BSW parts on occasion, primarily barrels and a few rearsights, - no bands so recorded, but it must be said that so few bother showing or recording the RS of the bands one can't be sure. Yours being mismatched I guess it doesn't matter, but if it did match it would be unusual so far as has been recorded.

Loewe
06-05-2014, 04:40 PM
Yes, this is proper in this range, BSR (blank siderail), a short range in 1941 they dropped it for some reason, only a short range is known, starting b-block through the g-block, it is back by the later g-h block, but hard to say exactly when or if it is consistent throughout this b-g range (seems to be within this range) as so few record when a marking doesn't exist (many don't when it does, especially if it is taken for granted, often it is by chance that it can be gleaned, like in your overview picture I could see it was BSR, - it is rare for someone to intentionally take a photo of a siderail when nothing is there... )

This is why "trends" are done, I am trying to develop patterns based around solid rifles to be able to determine what is normal on production in general, naturally this is complicated by poor reporting and partial reports.



Also, there is no "Mod. 98" marking on the receiver siderail. As I recall, some earlier Sauer production had no markings, but thought they started marking them as such in the late 30's. Did they delete it again in 1941?

missrosalita37
09-07-2014, 03:08 PM
Serial number 2543.


I'll have more later, including pics.
Jim