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MY NEW K98a ERFURT 1917 ALL MATCHING #

limnos64

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Hi there all.
Iam new to the site and i want to ask you guys what this rifle worth. It is all matching # down to the last screw and it is a veteran bring back rifle. The bore is in mint condition if you shine a light in to it it blinds you. The rifling is very strong also and the barel has no piting on the inside or the outside. The stock is in good condition without craks, and it has no import marks on it. As i said it was a veteran bring back rifle. i purchased it from the veterans son for $200.00.
I am posting some photos for you so you can see what jem it is IMHO.
Thanks in advance
Limnos64
 

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It is a very nice rifle, one of the nicest of this mfg/date, - note neither stock upgrade is on the rifle, surprisingly this is not unusual. It was well into 1917 that both features really start to show up, though the grips usually show up by 1917.

Stock is a little shiny, I assume a wipe down before images? Still quite nice, and although 1917 Erfurt was the largest made Modell98 1898-1918 (most rifles made by a single manufacturer in a single year) finding them totally original, matching and Imperial is not nearly as easy as you would think.
 
Thanks guys.
But you have not answered my question yet, to as what it worths. And what are the upsidedown numbers under the serial on the pictures that i am including here. The one is the serial # and the other is the one in question (BL 667).
Thanks again, any input will be appriciated.
Llimnos64
 

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The value of these rifles can be very subjective, meaning its value is based upon what others may value it, and many think a 1917 Erfurt is very common, and they are, if condition is not considered. As I said, it is a nice rifle, quite decent for this maker-date, which is a common one, but often found rough or sportered- or Weimar'd.

While the bore might be "mint", the metal finish isn't, spots have little to no finish (the receiver should be blued) and the metal in areas is not perfect, it has excessive build up at the muzzle and on the band for instance. Probably why the receiver is lacking blue, someone cleaned it away harshly; you can see signs of porosity and scratches in areas.
The stock is hard to tell, not sanded probably as the markings are quite crisp for a beech stock, which can often have a washed out appearance. It does look a little shiny, and that might be perfectly ok, maybe something used to wipe the stock down or just glare from indoor pictures.

In the US, to a general collector that doesn't specialize in the Kar98a, probably $1000-1200, maybe a little more for the right collector, if the stock isn't shellacked. Who can say really, if you hook a couple live ones anything is possible. Unfortunately in the US the market has started to settle on the Kar98a, they do not have the interest the Gew.98 or Kar98k have, and little things can have a large impact on end prices. (Quality sells itself, in good times or bad, while problems are magnified when money is tight)

As to the "B.L,", it is actually "B.I" and it is the steel maker, in this case Bismarckhütte, which was located in a town that would today be in Poland. Pretty common blank provider, Dr. Storz only mentions 3, the three most common, Krupp, Böhler and Bismarckhütte, there are some that are quite hard to find, some not yet identified.

Thanks guys.
But you have not answered my question yet, to as what it worths. And what are the upsidedown numbers under the serial on the pictures that i am including here. The one is the serial # and the other is the one in question (BL 667).
Thanks again, any input will be appriciated.
Llimnos64
 
Thanks very match for the responce SimsonSuhl.
I was asking just out of interest for the price of the rifle ,because i am not going to sell it.
It is a part of my collection that it will be inherited by my son. I am going to put it in the safe and live it there.
I do not know what hapend to the receiver this is how i got it.
As for the shiny stock, I have wiped it with hi visus oil before I took the pictures, plus the camera flash is contibuting to it.
This is very intresting that the Germans added the steel maker on the rifle.
Comming back to the stock you are sayng that if the stock isn't shellacked. What happens if it is and how can i identifi it. If it is and I will shoot the rifle can it crack the stock? Excuze my ignorance.
Thanks
Limnos64
 
It is probably just the oil wipedown, - whether beech or walnut the stock will have a similar feel, they were treated with a finish, not sure off hand whether it was linseed oil or something else, Storz book would probably say, but some finish was applied to the stocks. Original finish verses shellac (BLO or some other offensive rubbish) is easy to spot, once you get a feel for the rifles (have seen a few), but if you wiped the stock down with any oil, the sheen is almost certainly from that.

No the rifle, either way, should be safe to shoot assuming there is no defects or alterations to the rifle. (very unlikely) One of the best things about matching original rifles, is that you do not have all the safety concerns shooting them. Mismatched and post war alterations (whether by sporters or foreign governments) often open up the possibilities of an unsafe rifle.

You do, of course, have to use the proper ammunition, and for a collectable rifle I would use only good quality non-corrosive ammunition.

Thanks very match for the responce SimsonSuhl.
I was asking just out of interest for the price of the rifle ,because i am not going to sell it.
It is a part of my collection that it will be inherited by my son. I am going to put it in the safe and live it there.
I do not know what hapend to the receiver this is how i got it.
As for the shiny stock, I have wiped it with hi visus oil before I took the pictures, plus the camera flash is contibuting to it.
This is very intresting that the Germans added the steel maker on the rifle.
Comming back to the stock you are sayng that if the stock isn't shellacked. What happens if it is and how can i identifi it. If it is and I will shoot the rifle can it crack the stock? Excuze my ignorance.
Thanks
Limnos64
 

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