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Mike Venturino
08-25-2011, 12:17 AM
Tonight I got my wife to do some photos for me of my recently purchased K98k with turret mounts. As you will notice I haven't bothered to clean off the grit and grime yet. Perhaps you guys can give me some insight as to year of manufacture, high or low turret, etc. So far I've found that the front barrel band/sling holder has a different number than the rest and so does the stock. Everything else seems to match for what its supposed to be by the books I have on hand. Remember I'm more a shooter than hard-core collector.

First is a full length shot:

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/K98kturret023.jpg

Next is a shot of the receiver with serial numbers and the rear mount.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/K98kturret003.jpg

And now a shot of rear mount from side

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/K98kturret005.jpg

Here is a pix of the front turret - dog hair came after purchase.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/K98kturret010.jpg

Here's a top view of the front turret

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/K98kturret015.jpg

Here's the sling/barrel band (don't know the exact nomenclature. It's number is 221 in case you can't make it out.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/K98kturret013.jpg

Here's a photo of the buttplate and the numbers stamped into the stock. By the way the floorplate and trigger guard have matching numbers but I forgot to get a photo of them.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/K98kturret018.jpg

And finally just for the fun of it, here's a photo of a trio of other German World War II firearms from my modest "shooting" collection. They're a 1937 Sauer & Sohn K98k, a 1941 MP40, and a 1944 MP44.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/photobucket004-1.jpg

Thanks for looking. I hope you all can give me some information. I'd love to add a turret mount K98k to my collection if I can just fine a scope/mounts, etc.

Mike V.

mto7464
08-25-2011, 12:23 AM
Now you need scope. You really got it in a pawn shop?

Mike Venturino
08-25-2011, 12:39 AM
Yes, a pawn shop here in Montana. I'm hot after a scope now. I fired a few rounds to see if it actually worked and it fired fine with no signs of excessive headspace. Got any ideas about this?

By the way, were your friends the fellow and son from Oklahoma?

Mike V.

agalland
08-25-2011, 07:04 AM
A correct period scope will be easy enough to come by and a set of repro rings that will function with the turrets can be had from Robert Spielauer

An authentic scope ring combo will be another matter entirely...not saying they cant be found ,but it could take awhile and be rather pricey....

If you are a shooter I woulod go the route of a period scope with repro rings for shooting and if you come by an authentic pair keep them for display/resale purposes.

It is possible that a period scope could implode on you....I know ...it happened to me....and you dont want that to happen to an authentic piece of sniper glass.



Its a byf ...as far as the year the bands would indicate most likely a 43 but you said it was a different # on it so it could be a 44...if its a 43 it would most likely be a LT ... a 44 a HT. but an expert I am not.

I cant discern the diiference between the HT/LT ...but Dave roberts will come along and and define it for you.

Nice pick up...congrats

agalland
08-25-2011, 07:11 AM
By the way... a perfect piece to compliment what may be a small collection but a very outstanding one.

mto7464
08-25-2011, 08:36 AM
Yes, a pawn shop here in Montana. I'm hot after a scope now. I fired a few rounds to see if it actually worked and it fired fine with no signs of excessive headspace. Got any ideas about this?

By the way, were your friends the fellow and son from Oklahoma?

Mike V.

They are from Missouri.

This is the closest I can come to a real sniper. http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/mto7464/zf41/?action=view&current=IMG_4295.jpg#!oZZ15QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2 Fs562.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fss63%2Fmto7464%2F zf41%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3DIMG_4176.jpg

You should do a story on WWII german snipers. I think you did one with the garand g43 and svt if I recall

Turbo Archie
08-25-2011, 11:23 AM
We call these restored sporters.

Your lucky the rear site lip is intact.

This was in a sporter stock so the stock and bands have been replaced.


You should look for a nice E/135 stock (i have one) and nice blued bands, I would stick with speed milled and milled. Maybe just refinish the ones you have.


Nice find!!! :thumbsup:



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Dave Roberts
08-25-2011, 05:51 PM
Hi Guys Hope all is Good with everyone . This is a Nice Turret not Completely Original least way wood wise and bands , Bolt & Barreled Action looks Good . I will guess it is a LT from Rear Base.Front base just can not see enough definition from Pic but I am 99% sure its a LT . Mike look at Pics I attached is the Slot that goes round the inside is it at bottom or Midway on Your Front base . From Pic You posted it looks to me as it is at the bottom . I still would bet to say LT. Pic on Left HT Base Pic on Right LT Base . Best Regards

Mike Venturino
08-25-2011, 08:39 PM
Guys: Thanks for the replies, so it appears for what I have in it I did ok. I've located a scope with LT rings and am buying it so I've got my fingers crossed there. I was pretty sure the stock wasn't original but its good and solid so I can use it for my "shooter" stock.

Turbo Archie: You mention having a proper one. If you're interested in letting it go would you send a PM about it and cost? I'm not sure I can spring for it now what with buying the scope and rings but..... you know how it goes when you're hot for something.

By the way Dave Roberts, thanks much for the photos of the turrets. Mine has the groove at the bottom like the one you show at right. That settles my mind a bit.

Thanks to everyone for looking and helping.
Mike Venturino

S/42
08-25-2011, 08:40 PM
I concur Dave - 99% sure it's an LT too.

All it needs is a proper restock, and a nice set of original or Robert Speilauer rings with a correct scope.

If Robert won't export to the USA thanks to the US insane new taxes and limits on imports, tell Robert to send to me in Australia, and I will forward on to the USA (Austria will NOT post to the USA above 500 grams any longer, more or less to SPITE Obama!) Australia on the other hand WILL export to the USA, but every item over 500 grams is postage PLUS a $9 surcharge for Obama's new security screening rubbish.

Dave Roberts
08-25-2011, 11:27 PM
I concur Dave - 99% sure it's an LT too.

All it needs is a proper restock, and a nice set of original or Robert Speilauer rings with a correct scope.

If Robert won't export to the USA thanks to the US insane new taxes and limits on imports, tell Robert to send to me in Australia, and I will forward on to the USA (Austria will NOT post to the USA above 500 grams any longer, more or less to SPITE Obama!) Australia on the other hand WILL export to the USA, but every item over 500 grams is postage PLUS a $9 surcharge for Obama's new security screening rubbish.

Vulch
I check on this Package Limit of not shipping Packages 500 Gram and the Ban , Checked with Postal Service and Home Land Security it HOG WASH no such Ban Limits put in Effect by either and both did hear about many such Inquiries , all were told the same it is Bad Rumor . There was such a Ban in Place for a while but on the European Side Originally Holland but not Austria . Austria did put in place for a time but it is lifted Now to best of my Knowledge .

S/42
08-25-2011, 11:50 PM
Any progress on our USPS issue Dave? :thumbsup:

Dave Roberts
08-27-2011, 01:32 AM
Any progress on our USPS issue Dave? :thumbsup:
Waiting to hear from Manchester Office next week

BSW 1937
08-27-2011, 04:41 AM
Am I right to state that this rifle is either a 1942 or 1943 BYF?

The barrel code would certainly indicate which year it is.

mauser99
08-27-2011, 07:27 AM
vulch, has a stock and handguard that will make that rifle look 10X better.. get that yugo oil soaked stock off there.. You did very well. I had a byf44 "k" block hi-turret I restored from a sporter job as well..

Valleysniper
08-27-2011, 07:52 AM
Hi Mike

Nice find on the rifle, wish we could find such stuff in pawnshops here in the U.K.

I have in my collection bmj Lt scope Nr 69645 marked to rifle 11467 how close is that?

Hugh

Mike Venturino
08-27-2011, 10:48 AM
Hugh: The serial number on mine is 11067 so its exactly 400 numbers off your rifle. Looks like I'll be in the market for a correct stock. Can someone tell me if the number a little ahead of the receiver is the barrel date. On mine it looks like it could be a "43" if indeed that's what it is.

I'm going to shoot it with its barrel sights today and see how it does.

Mike V.

Mike Venturino
08-27-2011, 12:12 PM
Perhaps you guys can give me some insight on this '98 also. Of course its a well used VZ24 but the scope has absolutely no markings on it, although it is very clear and adjusts perfectly. I picked this up as a "shooter" and a fine one it is despite being dark in the grooves. My tenative plan is to use in the CMP vintage sniper match in Phoenix in October.

Can anyone give me some information as to its scope, mounts, etc. Any help is appreciated.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/4-22-08055LargeWebview.jpg

This is a full length shot of it, 2nd one down.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/ForPhotobucket006.jpg

Thanks
Mike V.

Bigdibbs88
08-27-2011, 12:15 PM
Hugh: The serial number on mine is 11067 so its exactly 400 numbers off your rifle. Looks like I'll be in the market for a correct stock. Can someone tell me if the number a little ahead of the receiver is the barrel date. On mine it looks like it could be a "43" if indeed that's what it is.

I'm going to shoot it with its barrel sights today and see how it does.

Mike V.

yes the little 43 is the date the barrel was manufactured. so your rifle is not any earlier than 43 unless it was rebarreled which is unlikely, so its safe to say its a byf43. sweet find also :thumbsup:

ditch68
08-27-2011, 03:08 PM
Vz24 sniper rifle. That scope is not correct, should be an IOR with a straigh objective end, but they are rare as hen's teeth. My dad has a bolt matching rifle like that with original upper rings (also very rare) but we have had no luck finding a scope yet.

Can you do some better closeups of the upper mount?

Nice stuff you have there all around. Congrats on the low turret!!

Jeff

Mike Venturino
08-27-2011, 03:53 PM
Jeff: I will get my "Dearly Beloved" (wife) to take some close ups of that Czech sniper upper rings as soon as she will cooperate.

I just came in from shooting the LT K98k with its barrel sights. At 100 yards it will do about three inches with good ammo and that's about all I can do with those sights and my 62 year old eyes. I can't wait to get that scope in and mounted.

MLV

mto7464
08-27-2011, 04:00 PM
Mike,
how about some pics and detail on the zf41 on a new thread.

vaughn99
08-28-2011, 01:39 PM
hello mike

scope being used in your VZ24 sniper is a Kahles 4x60 or Heliavier. should be markings right under or behind your mounts rear ring. serial should be on adj tower. your mount should have reducer rings as originals were 30mm kahles scope is 26.5mm.


later
vaughn

Mike Venturino
08-28-2011, 05:06 PM
vaughn: Thanks for the info. I will check it out.

Mike V.

Mike Venturino
08-29-2011, 02:02 PM
Vaughn: I took the scope off that VZ24 and checked it out. No markings on the under side of it. A serial number is on the elevation turret. I did find a tiny "07" on the undersize just behind the front bell. No reducer fillers in the rings.

Mike V.

vaughn99
08-30-2011, 09:39 PM
Hello Mike,

robert in austria made 26.5mm repros about 6+ years ago also made 30mm with reducer rings. the scope that was made for those snipers was a IOR its 4x28 and 30mm. also IO sold for about 6 months about 2+ years ago 1 inch repro's which is 25.4mm and they are a beefy mount did here some bored them out to 26.5mm. your serial is it a 1xx,xxx serial?? the 07 is a inhouse production number that we have no meaning for yet and probably will never know its meaning. can you take pics on the area behind the rear ring on top the complete area behind the focus ring, maybe it was removed?

later
vaughn

Mike Venturino
08-31-2011, 04:36 PM
vaughn: The #on the elevation turret is 18754. We're doing photography this evening so I'll have some photos to post later. I've actually had two of those Interordnance replica scopes and this one is miles ahead of those for quality. By the optics in it I'm sure its a vintage scope.

I'll post again later tonight.
MLV

vaughn99
08-31-2011, 08:23 PM
Hello mike,

i think you flipped your numbers, serial is 18574?? i have this scope in my database its a Helaivier that has been scrubbed. has a repro 1-8 dial added. sold in dec 2006. if you have no ring reducers pic of the mount will be needed if no reducer rings its a repro mount. IO made repro mounts not any scopes. they carried the repro Zeiss Zielvier which is a differnet scope entirely. can't wait to see pics.

later
vaughn

Mike Venturino
08-31-2011, 10:11 PM
vaughn: Here we go. You were right, I flipped the numbers. As for the scopes sold by IO, the ones I had were not much quality wise.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/8-31-11b060.jpg

Here's the other side.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/8-31-11b064.jpg

Thanks for looking and for the information. The rifle is a fine shooter.

Mike V.

vaughn99
08-31-2011, 10:54 PM
Hello mike,

first park mount i have seen so far all that i have seen which are very few are blued. here are some pics of my mount to compare and probably for the first time ever i actualy own something i am posting pics of :P. i don't own much so this is a rare moment LOL LOL. serial 2456 i am guessing is the rifle serial or scope serial the 267 on all parts might be the Mount production number. the 94 on rear ring might be the last 2 digits of the scope or rifle it was assigned to. so far i have had no proof of what ANY of the numbers have to due with anything. can any one answer that question who might have a all matching rig?

later
vaughn

Mike Venturino
08-31-2011, 11:19 PM
vaughn99: So who made that mount? Is it the right one for a VZ24?

Thanks for the photos.
Mike V.

jlj
08-31-2011, 11:22 PM
Vaughn. Mine is #'d much like yours 285 instead of 267, 2 digit # matching rear ring upper and lower, but what I take to be the rifle # is on the knob side of the front lower ring not the bolt side. I have a PE scope in mine with spacers. JL

vaughn99
08-31-2011, 11:44 PM
hello mike,

my mount is 100% real deal czech made for the Czch sniper rifle 30mm rings. see pic attached of the correct scope that is needed. now back to using pics of stuff that i dont own. back to the norm LOL that didn't last long.

Hello jlj,

the front ring spins so i spun it and its on the same side as yours now (thumb screw side) :P

later
vaughn

ditch68
09-01-2011, 09:08 AM
Hello mike,

first park mount i have seen so far all that i have seen which are very few are blued. here are some pics of my mount to compare and probably for the first time ever i actualy own something i am posting pics of :P. i don't own much so this is a rare moment LOL LOL. serial 2456 i am guessing is the rifle serial or scope serial the 267 on all parts might be the Mount production number. the 94 on rear ring might be the last 2 digits of the scope or rifle it was assigned to. so far i have had no proof of what ANY of the numbers have to due with anything. can any one answer that question who might have a all matching rig?

later
vaughn

Vaughn,

That's funny! I always assumed you had a large collection, but just never talked about it! Well, you do own something - a great serial database and willingness to share it. We all appreciate that.

Nice mount.

The one my dad has has matching numbers, but other numbers as well, like it was renumbered. I believe original, but I think you stated you disagreed about that one, Vaughn. The bolt also matches on that rifle, and knowing what I do about Czech/Romanian fonts and Vz's in general do believe the bolt is original to the rifle, not "collector enhanced".

The scope mount, not sure, but I also do tend to believe it was numbered that way while in military service. It is a 100% original 30mm, though.

There is just so little to go off of with these, and the patterns do not follow the "German precision" and predictability we are used to.

Jeff

mto7464
12-12-2011, 10:17 PM
Saw Dukes write up in a magazine on this rifle. Nice looking rig but it the scope actual german issued? anyone else see it?

BOTD
07-30-2012, 05:49 PM
Saw Dukes write up in a magazine on this rifle. Nice looking rig but it the scope actual German issued? Anyone else see it?

Resurrecting an older thread here but, yeah, I'm sitting here in Baghdad boning up on M98k sniper stuff online and I see that scoped Czech VZ-24 pic and say to myself, "Self, you just saw that pic a couple hours ago". I reach over to the copy of Guns/August2012 my buddy just handed off to me at the team BBQ earlier today and LOABFH, there it is in Herr Venturino's WWII sniper article.

I definitely have a 98k sniper in my future. I am leaning in the direction of LT/HT from what I've read so far. I have to say these threads on this site and a couple others are like gold for picking up some basic knowledge quickly while I wait for my 2 books from Collector Grade to show up in the mail.

Couple quick questions......is Robert still making his turret mounts? And does anyone have an opinion on the M91 Snipers being offered by AIM surplus? Original or no?

Thanks, BOTD