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BerlinerLuebecker
11-22-2011, 11:15 PM
Picked this up at a local auction and waiting to pick it up (envy you guys not living in police states...), but wonder about the details on this holster. I'm used to seeing the mid-war black pebble holsters, so what is this? Post-war? Police?
Unfortunately need to stick with the crappy picture from the auction for now. Incidentally, at the same auction, a Krieghoff two-digit date 1936 Luftwaffe contract Luger with two matching magazines sold for $10,692.

Sarge
11-23-2011, 04:03 AM
Police holster, how is it marked? Does the pistol have police proofs?
Looks like a real nioce holster.
Sarge

BerlinerLuebecker
11-23-2011, 07:41 AM
I'll have to check for markings when I pick it up. I didn't notice any police markings on the P38, but honestly wouldn't be sure what those markings looked like. The proofs all looked military to me.

mrfarb
11-23-2011, 08:33 AM
There are no ac45 Police marked pistols that I am aware of, so probably just a convenient holster to put it in.

don w
11-23-2011, 09:03 AM
Looks like from the pic, that this P38 may have a fnh barrel.

BerlinerLuebecker
11-23-2011, 09:09 AM
Looks like from the pic, that this P38 may have a fnh barrel.

What makes you think that? The machining on the barrel is REALLY rough, part of the reason I liked this one.

mrfarb
11-23-2011, 09:11 AM
The fnh barrels are extra rough. Is it a "b" block?

BerlinerLuebecker
11-23-2011, 09:16 AM
The fnh barrels are extra rough. Is it a "b" block?

Yes, it's in the 7K b block. And both those magazines are phosphated, which I thought was neat too.

don w
11-23-2011, 10:06 AM
The fnh barrels are extra rough. Is it a "b" block?

Thats why.

BL- Farb asked if the serial number is in the letter "b' block becuase thats where you find the fnh barrels.
Not saying one couldnt turn up in the "a" or "c" blocks, but these 'fnh' barrels are almost always in the "b" block.

BerlinerLuebecker
11-23-2011, 10:13 AM
Thanks very much for the info! Is there any chance that this holster would have been issued with the pistol originally, or was this simply convenience to a collector? If it's really not original to this particular weapon, I guess I'd rather sell it and buy a proper military holster.

RyanE
11-23-2011, 10:51 AM
Thanks very much for the info! Is there any chance that this holster would have been issued with the pistol originally, or was this simply convenience to a collector? If it's really not original to this particular weapon, I guess I'd rather sell it and buy a proper military holster.

It is unlikely that it would have originally been mated with a police holster. The pistol probably didn't leave the factory, much less have a holster issued. "Correct" 45 dated P38 holsters are not too hard to get a hold of. I think they run about $150.

jack944
11-23-2011, 11:21 AM
That mag pouch looks wide from the pic. Could be a HiPower holster. I have seen several bring home P-38's in HP holsters.

Kammerjaeger
11-24-2011, 01:47 PM
What is fnh? :behindsofa:


KJ

Sarge
11-25-2011, 01:37 AM
Late war Czech made bbl. They also made magazines. Both will have eagle/WaA706 proofs.
Upon closer look at the holster, I do believe you're right it is a Hi-Power holster.
Sarge

BerlinerLuebecker
11-25-2011, 09:44 AM
Late war Czech made bbl. They also made magazines. Both will have eagle/WaA706 proofs.
Upon closer look at the holster, I do believe you're right it is a Hi-Power holster.
Sarge

Hmm, if that is the case... I think I'd rather keep the holster and fill it with the right piece. If anyone has a '45 correct P38 holster they'd like to sell (or at least can offer pointers on what to look for/avoid), please get in touch!

denny gaither
11-25-2011, 11:57 AM
For Kammerjaeger: To see a listing of German WWII Ordnance Codes, go here - http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/codes_full.html
The fnh code mentioned above is for the Boehmische Waffenfabrik, Prague.

+1 on the above holster being for a High Power pistol. There should be a code and date on the bottom flap. under the strap. "clg" (Ernst Melzig, Lederwaren, Breslauer, Strasse, Liegnitz Poland) seems to be the most common code.
Here's one for comparison....

Sarge
11-26-2011, 02:31 AM
Rots a Ruck on a 45 dated P.38 holster - they are rare as hell!!!
I'd like to find 2 or 3 of them. The one I have has been butchered, but has good clear markings so I've kept it anyway.
Sarge

mjones
12-22-2011, 01:08 PM
45 dated P.38 holsters have gone up in price. the last two that I saw were up over $300. I have a nice 45 dated P.38 holster with my svw45 dual tone. I think it is marked gyx 45. I'll have to check it. 44 dated holsters are common and resonably priced.

Mike

BerlinerLuebecker
01-29-2012, 11:18 PM
Finally picked this one up and got a chance to take a few pictures, albeit not in the natural light I would have preferred... Of course I forgot to check the holster for a code. :facepalm:
Gotta love the varying finishes on the parts, though. This is definitely a keeper.

mrfarb
01-29-2012, 11:25 PM
Finally picked this one up and got a chance to take a few pictures, albeit not in the natural light I would have preferred... Of course I forgot to check the holster for a code. :facepalm:
Gotta love the varying finishes on the parts, though. This is definitely a keeper.

Nice b block ac45. I see it has an fnh barrel on it too, one of the 3 trifecta of ac45 collectors. Well, for me at least- my favorite 3 features- fnh barrel, durofol grips, and matching c block guns. Anyways, your looks nice, but I think the holster might be for an FN hi power. You need more pics of it. Lots of ac45 P38 pistols in FN high power holsters. Does your P.38u marked mag have grooved follower?

BerlinerLuebecker
01-29-2012, 11:28 PM
Nice b block ac45. I see it has an fnh barrel on it too, one of the 3 trifecta of ac45 collectors. Well, for me at least- my favorite 3 features- fnh barrel, durofol grips, and matching c block guns. Anyways, your looks nice, but I think the holster might be for an FN hi power. You need more pics of it. Lots of ac45 P38 pistols in FN high power holsters.

Yep, was discussed a little earlier in the thread. It does appear to be for a Hi Power (which I'd love to fill with the correct piece). Any idea why it was common for ac45 pistols to come home in these?

mrfarb
01-29-2012, 11:51 PM
Yep, was discussed a little earlier in the thread. It does appear to be for a Hi Power (which I'd love to fill with the correct piece). Any idea why it was common for ac45 pistols to come home in these?

Thats what I get for not reading the thread. I think there was must have been a depot with a ton of high power holsters available to Gi's. Thats all I can figure. Anyway, nice pistol you have. A keeper.

denny gaither
01-30-2012, 11:07 AM
Finally picked this one up and got a chance to take a few pictures, albeit not in the natural light I would have preferred... Of course I forgot to check the holster for a code. :facepalm:
Gotta love the varying finishes on the parts, though. This is definitely a keeper.
Nice gun! Along with the things Mike mentioned, I also love that late war cog-hammer.

Here's an earlier ac45 no suffix #5805 for comparison. Notice the differences in the grips, hammer and bbl.

jack944
01-30-2012, 02:11 PM
Nice gun! Along with the things Mike mentioned, I also love that late war cog-hammer.

Here's an earlier ac45 no suffix #5805 for comparison. Notice the differences in the grips, hammer and bbl.

I'll claim my prize for the HiPower holster ID...LOL. I have one in my collection that was a direct vet purchase with cap docs and HP holster. I am sure they got switched by GI's and the Germans used them as substitutes for P-38 holsters as they were pretty close in shape. :happy0180:

Bob in OHIO
05-03-2012, 09:37 PM
My German finished ac45 has great grips.

denny gaither
05-04-2012, 11:39 AM
http://www.k98kforum.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by BerlinerLuebecker http://www.k98kforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?p=28336#post28336)
Yep, was discussed a little earlier in the thread. It does appear to be for a Hi Power (which I'd love to fill with the correct piece).

No home should be without one!

Bob, I love the grips on your pistol...

BerlinerLuebecker
05-04-2012, 09:33 PM
Very nice P38, Bob! So that's a no-letter suffix, if I see that right? Neat.