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Dave Roberts
12-25-2011, 11:19 PM
Thought the Scope & Sniper Collectors would Enjoy this one . Its my latest find & Self Christmas Gift to Myself actually my only Gift but what more could a Collector ask for .
To all My friend Here at the Forum Merry Christmas
The Bases are Original to Scope , the sad part was the Rifle was heavily Sporterized
Barrel had first 2" removed and Bolt re-contoured . It was sad to see it in this state
and the Bases & Scope was removed from Rifle .
Many Pics Hope You all enjoy the Pics . Best Regards :faint:

Dave Roberts
12-25-2011, 11:22 PM
More Pics of blc

mjones
12-26-2011, 08:15 AM
Dave,

Thanks for posting very nice and what a great Christmas gift.

Mike

Ultimate Shield
12-27-2011, 02:15 AM
Great find Dave. Thanks for sharing:thumbsup:

ditch68
12-27-2011, 09:42 AM
Great find, dave. I know that you have been looking for one for a long, long time.

I remember talking with you a couple years back and we were just speculating about them, because we hadn't seen one in person, just a couple poor photos where you could make out the Zeiss turret knob!

Congratulations!

Jeff

BSW 1937
12-29-2011, 12:26 PM
Nice scope Dave.
Is there still a scope that you need to find?

Could you, please, tell us more about the rifle, manufacturer, year and serial number?

Dave Roberts
12-29-2011, 02:46 PM
Nice scope Dave.
Is there still a scope that you need to find?

Could you, please, tell us more about the rifle, manufacturer, year and serial number?

Sure I have Scopes I still like to find There is bunch of them Zeiss Zielseches LT & HT Kahles H/4X60 LT & HT.There is also 6 listed in the Karabiner 98 K Zielfernrohren Hand Book I have two Examples Ziel-Dialyt 6fach And Zeiss Zielvier most likely SSR but without recoil bar attached . It has Correct Range Markings for this Variant Hunter Scope which was sold to Heer .When I was in Germany a Collector Friend has Two of these Scopes also Kahles H/4X60 and Zeiss Zielsechs both also have recoil bar attached with 2 screws like in Senich Book both these Scopes have same Range Markings as Mine . These Scopes are most likely one of the Hardest Variants to obtain as most probably saw action on Eastern Front . I would also like a Dr Walter Gerard 3X LT . Yes there is a number I still want to try to find . I will post pics of this Zeiss Zielvier Hunter Scope that was sold to Heer . I have Copies of Original Paper Work that tells about one of these Turned in Hunters Scopes . Paper Work mentions when it was bought , the price , were it was sent , also that rings were removed and sent back to hunter and so on . These are some of the reason I believe if someone claims he knows all that was done or to say only this or that scope was used on say LT in 1943 is really setting himself up for a hard fall .

Excuse me for going on rambling to answer Your first Question I will Post Pics of the Butched Rifle that had the blc on it . It was on an i block byf 44 . Best Regards .

Dave Roberts
12-29-2011, 10:55 PM
Nice scope Dave.
Is there still a scope that you need to find?

Could you, please, tell us more about the rifle, manufacturer, year and serial number?

BSW 1937
Here are Pics of what`s left to this POOR HT . What a Shame !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:barf:

The Base Rifle was a BYF 43 K block Rifle .

This HT was right at the change over from Low Turret to High Turret .
If you look at the Front Base in above photos You see it has many similarities to the Low Turret Bases . Such as Corner Cuts and Stop Block on inside of Groove were Locking Spring Rides The Low Turrets have a stop block held inlace by a screw but on the Early High Turret Bases the Spring Groove Cut was stopped just short of see threw opening for open sight use . On Later Turret Front Bases this Groove is Cut completely to sight opening .

vintagescope
08-23-2018, 11:53 AM
Scope matching to the action Dave ?

Because never see HT before January 44 . Prototype ? Test rifle ?

Bunny proof on the action ? Added WaA ?


Have you best pictures Dave ?

Regards

VS

Xavier
08-23-2018, 01:24 PM
Waiting also for better pictures of the k98 vintagscope.
Regards



QUOTE=vintagescope;245767]Scope matching to the action Dave ?

Because never see HT before January 44 . Prototype ? Test rifle ?

Bunny proof on the action ? Added WaA ?


Have you best pictures Dave ?

Regards

VS[/QUOTE]

Dave Roberts
08-23-2018, 07:00 PM
Scope matching to the action Dave ?

Because never see HT before January 44 . Prototype ? Test rifle ?

Bunny proof on the action ? Added WaA ?


Have you best pictures Dave ?

Regards

VS

First thing , Just because You or others have not seen one , does not mean it Does NOT EXIST . Do You recall all the Noise YOU made when I said Sauer Never made LT . I recall perfectly !!!!!. I will not do the same to YOU !!!! . For me when someone is not aware of something I do not Ridicule/Demean them trying to make myself look smart , I look to help other collectors learn !!!!!!.


I would also suggest you look to Robert Spielauer`s last Book or his others Prints . Last Book pages 138-139 Is a BYF43 HT 36261 look at Bases these are same as ones on my HT blc , I had this piece in hand .The Barreled Action is Original other Parts are MisMatched .


Here is Vaughn99`s Reply to first email asking for Serial & Final Proof and Bunny Proof

Hello,

I have the photo’s you sent me ages ago, with me building and things boxed up in storage units I don’t have easy access at the moment. Let me know I can send those pics but the one with the serial and letter block is not so good.

Later
Eric

I am waiting for reply to 2nd email about needed Pics . I will update with answer .

Dave Roberts
12-05-2018, 07:48 PM
First thing , Just because You or others have not seen one , does not mean it Does NOT EXIST . Do You recall all the Noise YOU made when I said Sauer Never made LT . I recall perfectly !!!!!. I will not do the same to YOU !!!! . For me when someone is not aware of something I do not Ridicule/Demean them trying to make myself look smart , I look to help other collectors learn !!!!!!.


I would also suggest you look to Robert Spielauer`s last Book or his others Prints . Last Book pages 138-139 Is a BYF43 HT 36261 look at Bases these are same as ones on my HT blc , I had this piece in hand .The Barreled Action is Original other Parts are MisMatched .


Here is Vaughn99`s Reply to first email asking for Serial & Final Proof and Bunny Proof

Hello,

I have the photo’s you sent me ages ago, with me building and things boxed up in storage units I don’t have easy access at the moment. Let me know I can send those pics but the one with the serial and letter block is not so good.

Later
Eric

I am waiting for reply to 2nd email about needed Pics . I will update with answer .

Here are the Promised Pics of Matching Receiver to the HT blc Scope & Rings and Bases . Thank You Vaughn for getting these Pics .

Amberg
12-06-2018, 01:12 PM
Who took off the bases from the receiver? You? Vaughn99?

Dave Roberts
12-06-2018, 02:19 PM
Who took off the bases from the receiver? You? Vaughn99?

The Scope and Bases were removed by whom ever consigned it at the Auction House . It was not either Vaughn nor myself .

Hercules
12-06-2018, 02:21 PM
That’s a great combo with scope and matching receiver. Too bad Bubba got to it first. That is a good restoration project. Those blc scopes are tough to find. Congrats.

mrfarb
12-06-2018, 02:55 PM
....good project except they cut the barrel down.


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Hercules
12-06-2018, 04:12 PM
....good project except they cut the barrel down.


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I’d really like to have that scope. That barrel and receiver are a good data point for sure. I did not read from the beginning. Only looked at the photos. I really like the scope and to me that was the most interesting.

Dave Roberts
12-06-2018, 07:54 PM
I’d really like to have that scope. That barrel and receiver are a good data point for sure. I did not read from the beginning. Only looked at the photos. I really like the scope and to me that was the most interesting.

The HT blc Scope and Bases are back with its Original Receiver . I promised Vaughn if I every relinquished it he would get first right of refusal. It did not take him long to say I`ll ,Take It !!!! . IMO Vaughn is the right person to bring this piece back to life and I suspect he will not disappoint anyone with end results . I for one am looking forward to seeing the finished piece . Best Regards

sauer
12-06-2018, 11:09 PM
hi Dave
very interesting this 98k block K
you will notice that it does not have the small star on the back base for this end of year of production
indeed this marking appears from block K late 43 to block A early 44
for me it's a prototype this set
Great, congratulations