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BSW 1937
03-08-2012, 03:54 PM
Hello,

Please post here the data you have about the long side rail rifles and their mounts.
Just first hand reports.

Pictures are welcome.

Thank you in advance for your help!
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mauser99
03-08-2012, 04:13 PM
There seemed to be some serious intrest in this so I figured I'd go about having this started. Maybe broken down into JPS and gustloff serial ranges. Who knows we might find a few matches. Report any you see or have seen. Please no pressure to contribute. If you find the item on line or on an auction please post next to it where you found it..Its pretty standard kinda like all the stickeys on the k98 section. the list can be condenced as needed.

Also I added a guide to Sauer script fonts to help aid the u v w Issue on late sauer LSR's as it was clear me and a few others didnt have this nailed down yet.

mauser99
03-08-2012, 04:17 PM
Gustloff bcd4 serial # 48742
mount serial # 86578 w/bek scope #78370
this was a recent g.b.auction.

saw a mount w/can posted 2472x gunboards..

ditch68
03-08-2012, 09:00 PM
I have a pile of data stored I would have to dig up, but my one LSR is:

bcd4 serial# 75832

Jeff

Mr Haney
03-08-2012, 09:21 PM
Bcd 4 long side rail 2680 x
mount 89774
scope bek 77621
22MM Bands
Bob

Wolfsburg
03-08-2012, 10:24 PM
Mine is 88200, no scope, mount or base

Xavier
03-09-2012, 02:18 AM
Hi
very interesting topic indeed.
Can I suggest to be more precise in the that study regarding the kind of scope fixation found on the mount, I mean Steel rings, narrow or large bands ?
best regards
Xavier

tonino7
03-09-2012, 11:50 AM
My k98 is a Bcd4 long side rail serial 48748 ,
the mount has the serial 3934W , large bands.
A friend of mine has a mount with serial 5211x , large bands

RADOMMAN
03-10-2012, 07:37 AM
I usually dont do this but here goes
BCD 4's

58895 Mt 46504
93195 Mt 93181

Sauer
2300v mt 8534u milled, rings dow scope
2572x Mt 2574x

BCD5's
18181 Mt 89724
72421 Mt 86570

spare Mts
86854 17mm bands
3051w 17mm bands
Un# 22mm bands

mrfarb
03-10-2012, 10:20 AM
I have bcd4 LSR 2189 no mount (had unnumbered but sold it).

Dave Roberts
03-11-2012, 12:32 AM
Here is My Rifle and Mounts

BCD45 Ser#78945

Mounts
#8063u Machined Ring & Dow
#89765 22mm BMJ 4Piece Ser#85015

Peter S
03-21-2012, 04:58 PM
rifle: bcd4 55442
mount: wide band 55389
can: 93245

yellowkid
03-21-2012, 07:58 PM
Mine is bcd 4 82773. Funny too, back in '93 I attended an auction in CA and handled (and lusted over) bcd 4 LSR 82768. Didn't even bid and it went for $4750. Figured I would always be priced out. Then almost twenty years later I walk in to the Allentown show and there's a gun just five away and a whole lot less money sitting on a table full of bargains. What's that they say about patience? Jp

pjkj1919
04-15-2012, 01:23 PM
Early BCD 4, U block LSR with matching scope mount

Serial Number 7865 U
Milled Scope Mount 7865 U
Scope dow serial number 1994

Rig is all matching, stock was dufflecut under the band and repaired.

tokarev38
09-12-2012, 10:53 PM
Mine is bcd 4, serial 7835u, milled mount matching, scope dow 19935

jack944
09-13-2012, 04:34 PM
All matching bcd 45 including mount.

SN # 78915

agalland
12-28-2012, 07:08 AM
Gustloff bcd4 serial # 48742
mount serial # 86578 w/bek scope #78370
this was a recent g.b.auction.

saw a mount w/can posted 2472x gunboards..

Update: That auction was a partner buy between Vaughn and I.
Vaughn owns the Gun and I own the optics pkg

BCD4 93283 no mount/optics
Barrel,receiver,bolt,triggergroup matching , floorplate and TG look to be original to gun..sported stock

eddie d
12-29-2012, 03:47 PM
BCD4--6687 matching an milled,47318 cad
BCD4--83618 matching an narrow,19392 dow

mauser99
01-23-2013, 05:23 PM
here are some uppers that just turned up.
blued w/base #93137 w/bek 64995? it was ver hard to read. ebay auction.

another in rough shape. milled upper split rings. #68588 this odd as its later than i'd expect for a milled upper mount. bcd4 in the 5 didgit range.

last saure in the X range with CAD scope. & can.

gergnotwen
01-23-2013, 08:15 PM
here are some uppers that just turned up.
blued w/base #93137 w/bek 64995? it was ver hard to read. ebay auction.

another in rough shape. milled upper split rings. #68588 this odd as its later than i'd expect for a milled upper mount. bcd4 in the 5 didgit range.

last saure in the X range with CAD scope. & can.

Darn so close yet so far, my BCD4 93217....

mrfarb
01-23-2013, 08:34 PM
That 68588 looks like a fake, and probably why it is the wrong type for the serial range.

mauser99
01-23-2013, 08:38 PM
That 68588 looks like a fake, and probably why it is the wrong type for the serial range.

very well could be.. Take a repro strip the blue, burry it in the back yard for a year and stamp a number on it and make some cash on the un-edumakted public.

gergnotwen
01-23-2013, 08:56 PM
That 68588 looks like a fake, and probably why it is the wrong type for the serial range.

I believe mrfarb is 100% correct... look at the locking lever, this is the same as the repro's that show up on FleaBay. It is knurled all the way around and does not taper correctly toward the end. Looks like a back yard accumounts piece to me.

BTW, the rear windage adjustment screw on 93137 is boooooogus....

Texasbadger
11-11-2013, 03:42 PM
#5639W band
#4153V milled
#99066 band
#88171 band matching can on BCD 1080V rifle

bkavanaugh
11-16-2013, 10:47 PM
I don't own a sniper k98 and I have handled very few over the years. Therefore, I really know next to nothing about them. I noticed that most all of the sniper rifles listed under this thread were either bcd 4 or bcd 45. Can anyone tell me if there were any bcd 43 side rail sniper rifles?

gill120
12-12-2013, 10:09 PM
There were no bcd 43 LSR rifles. There were CE 43 dated LSR rifles.

Tiger 2 Tank
12-12-2013, 10:46 PM
So, were there unnumbered scope mounts that are original WWII? I thought they all had to be numbered?

gergnotwen
12-12-2013, 11:23 PM
Yes, there are un-numbered original mounts out there. I've got one stuck away with a BEK scope that a member kindly sold me a couple or years back for a resto project. Tough to find...

Southwest
04-02-2015, 08:12 PM
BCD 4 SR# 93058
Mount: WB/ Unnumbered
Ajack SN#52443 Blued

BCD 4 SR#75832*
Mount: NB/ SR# 75828
DOW SN# 24459

Scopes:

BMJ SN#84036 Dark Phosphate
BEK SN#79049 Dark Phosphate

*BCD SN# 75832 Was previously mentioned in this thread.
It is now complete and in my collection.

Regards, Al

michaelangelo25
04-09-2015, 07:14 PM
bcd 4 rifle 93235 scope mount 93227 bmj scope 84103
wide bands

sauer rifle 9667v scope mount 9667v dow scope 10256
machined rings

michaelangelo25
04-09-2015, 07:15 PM
bcd 4 rifle 93235 scope mount 93127 bmj scope 84103
wide bands

sauer rifle 9667v scope mount 9667v dow scope 10256
machined rings

Nigromontanus
04-10-2015, 12:34 AM
Could you please show mount 9667v?

vintagescope
04-11-2015, 01:47 PM
DOW scope 10256 ? Not 19256 ?

4mrlrrp
07-20-2016, 10:45 PM
ce 43 rifle, 6959 e matching, 6959 e mount, machined rings, unmarked opticotechnica

mdarnell19
07-20-2016, 11:01 PM
ce 43 rifle, 6959 e, matching 6959 mount, machined rings, unmarked opticotechna
If this is true then you really must share pictures of this. I have never seen a original matching CE 43 LSR. Please post pictures.

4mrlrrp
07-21-2016, 06:13 PM
mdarnell19,
Will post pictures in this forum in future.
Thanks,
4mrlrrp

4mrlrrp
07-29-2016, 11:36 AM
mdarnell19,
Will post pictures in this forum in future.
Thanks,
4mrlrrp

Will forum moderators please edit my posts uo to this point, and report that it is the barreled action that was photographed in Senich.
Thanks.
Later,
4mrlrrp

135a
07-31-2016, 04:21 PM
bcd 4 #9409
scope: Dialytan 4X #3086 dk l
Mount: #6243w
12507912508012508112508212508312508412508512508612 5087125088

ncpepperman
08-22-2016, 03:58 PM
BCD 4 #5768 w
LSR #5644 w
bek 4x #77525

Need Arctic Sun Shade for the bek

pwcosol
08-23-2016, 09:44 AM
Well, thought I would take my shot:
bcd4 LSR w/dow center focus on machined, (large ring) mount.
Rifle 100% as new #8149u
Mount #8194u

(No, no typos. It isn't matching but it ought to be!)

ncpepperman
08-23-2016, 03:37 PM
Well, thought I would take my shot:
bcd4 LSR w/dow center focus on machined, (large ring) mount.
Rifle 100% as new #8149u
Mount #8194u

(No, no typos. It isn't matching but it ought to be!)

Excellent !

tokarev38
08-31-2016, 10:58 PM
Well, thought I would take my shot:
bcd4 LSR w/dow center focus on machined, (large ring) mount.
Rifle 100% as new #8149u
Mount #8194u

(No, no typos. It isn't matching but it ought to be!)

Nice, what is the dow scope serial?

Regards, Jack

Amberg
09-01-2016, 03:51 AM
bcd4 LSR w/dow center focus on machined, (large ring) mount.
Rifle 100% as new #8149u
Mount #8194u


Interesting!
Have LSR machined ring mount #8141u with dow #19864

Is the locking lever on your mount numbered?

Thanks

pwcosol
09-07-2016, 09:23 AM
Nice, what is the dow scope serial?

Regards, Jack

The rifle and top end were acquired separately from each other. The latter is closer to 96% overall. The dow center focus scope serial is 19994.

pwcosol
09-07-2016, 09:46 AM
Interesting! Have LSR machined ring mount #8141u with dow #19864.
Is the locking lever on your mount numbered?
Thanks

Dang...that is closer still! I never looked @ the locking lever for a number, but just checked and saw no markings on either side. How this all came to be is the rifle was acquired in the 1980s sans top end. Called a friend & was able to come up with a decent early mount (#419v) w/dow center focus. Some years later a friend had mount 8365u and was able to trade my 419v for it. Had that one for many years until another long-time buddy told me he had recently acquired a bcd4 LSR w/a mismatched mount (8194u). He said the condition was really nice and actually better than the rifle. When I asked him about the mount his reply was it was way off the rifle and all things being equal, said I could swap out my 8365u for his, which I did.

A sidebar is about five years previously, another collector I knew called me up to tell me of the phosphate bcd4 LSR he had recently gotten. From his description it was a very nice rifle, but mount was mismatched. I asked him what the mount serial was (I do not recall) and then rifle serial. The latter was #419v. When I told him I used to own his matching mount, he got real quiet and then asked if I knew where it might be now. Making an inquiry I learned the guy I traded it to had sold off an accumulation of K98k optics, mounts, etc. to a mutual friend. I provided the owner of the rifle with the contact information and his rifle has been reunited with it's original, matching mount. Now I only have to collect on the steak & lobster dinner he agreed to for my helping to make it happen...

Amberg
09-07-2016, 11:46 AM
Dang...that is closer still!

Closer, but still no match. ;-(

agalland
12-01-2016, 11:25 PM
LSR Scopes only:
Zielsechs...76877
Ajack........52450

LSR Scope and Mount
BEK.........Mount:86578...Scope:78370
Ajack......Mount:46498...Scope:51568
Zielsechs.Mount:8447/8(overstamp) Scope:77020

LSR Gun Only,no base/optics....Sauer..1289v with MM Sauer LSR bolt..9704n
Sported stock ,matching FP/TG.

LSR Sauer With base,Matching Split Ring Mount with Scope
Serial...8447U ..Scope:19491
Sporter Stock...buffed,number matching with exception of sight leaf .

agalland
12-04-2016, 12:29 AM
I can't seem to find a rifle to put this on, but I keep it anyway.

Its just a matter of time...keep looking and be patient...but if you see a base be sure and snatch it also...even if you don't have the gun yet....gun and mount are usless without the base...scopes and scope/ mount combos are plentiful ...bases not so much. Good luck.

gill120
03-21-2018, 03:29 PM
I am looking for BCD mount # 14852, this is for a second series late war (1945) Gustloff rifle. Am hoping someone out there might have my mount. I have Mount # 1075 and 75818 , for trades. Was also wondering If anyone has a higher serialed LSR than my rifle in this last serial range.

ditch68
06-05-2018, 06:31 PM
bcd4 LSR 83602, unnumbered mount

bcd4 LSR 75832, mount 75828

Jeff

learjet
06-14-2018, 08:46 AM
Sauer LSR 9688W with base. mismatch handguard, no rod.

no mount or scope

edit.. BEK phosphate 78827, mount 1161X each added separately