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View Full Version : JPS long side rail side by side comparison 2300U & 2572X Damn near identicle !!!



mauser99
03-22-2012, 09:11 PM
This was a subject of disscussion on one of the other threads and It wasnt till my trip to Waffenstadt truro That I was able to photo two nearly un-issued And scary similar rifles.. Keep in mind these two rifles are over 20K apart in serial range and represent the begining the "V" block and the end "x" block of JPS lsr production.. I'm hardly someone who has studied these things and maybe some fresh eyes are needed. I see glaring similarities in finish and production.. The only difference I see is the slow change in two specific parts in the later rifle.. 1] being the triggerguard 2]being the cocking piece. These two items lending to the dec44 production..

The bolt body is the item that sticks out the most. Astrawerke subcontracted and Blued. The stem of the bolt on both rifles shows heating and disstress where it was bent. I have never really noticed this on any other k98 bolt. And here we have two bolts identicle.. The lower bands both have a deep grey phosphate and the uppers a thin wash.. The safties are both the standard blade milled down and serial numbered.

Also the recoil lugs are both deep set in their oversized 'c' stocks and the faces are visibly ground with a stone.. I thought this was an odd feature on the x block when I first saw it at the sos then to see it repeated on the 'V' block was quite a surprize... So my thoughts would be ? Are JPS lsr's more consistant than we first thought ??
Or is this an odd one off example that happened to be paired up with the other ??? Anyway enjoy the photos..I had fun taking them and pairing these two up...

mauser99
03-22-2012, 09:19 PM
here are the recoil lugs and bolts..

mauser99
03-22-2012, 09:29 PM
here are some more..

mike radford
03-22-2012, 10:01 PM
Good pictures. Interesting comparison. I see the two different front barrel bands as being the reverse of what I would expect, but probably not incorrect or unheard of. The earlier gun does show better polish on the barrel. My 905X shows the same bolt discoloration at the bend. It does not show the grinding to the recoil lug as those two rifles do. The recoil lug and the safety are the only two things I see different than my rifle as compared to the X rifle here, plus the front band on mine is like the earlier rifle. I agree there is much similarity in these two rifles but it sounds like most JPS LSR's did not have checkered butt plates yet these two and mine all do. Therefore, I suspect there remains a fair amount of variation.

As I understand it, snipers were put aside after accuracy testing, then fitted for features only seen on snipers like safeties, mounts, often different stocks(or at least a take down disc even on late rifles) etc., so more hand fitting and individuality would be expected than a straight production line rifle.

Good thinking and study with good pictures. Thanks for posting.

Hercules
03-22-2012, 10:25 PM
Beautiful rifles. Thanks for posting the photos. It is always helpful and much appreciated when someone takes the time to post such fine examples to look at. Nice background as well.

Brian

mauser99
03-23-2012, 07:16 AM
mike, unlike hi-turrets and the rest , Lsr's were a special receiver from the start. So the whole testing and setting aside wasnt needed. Im sure pleanty were rejected. By 44 production of all k98's was pretty streamlined.. I wanted to post a side by side comparison of two JPS LSR's that show consistanty in Saure production.. The bolt bodies are rough milled with odd color..Barrles have a plumb tone compaired to the receiver. The font of the number is the key to seeing if the safety is correct and not added at a later date. Saure used a very specific font.. Also most checkered buttplates leave a witness mark on the stock. that waffleing will be imbossed in the wood.
Things to check for sure.. I just wanted to post two jps lsr's side by side showing consistantcy in production..

mike radford
03-23-2012, 08:56 AM
mike, unlike hi-turrets and the rest Lsr's were a special receiver from the start. So the whole testing and setting aside wasnt needed. Im sure pleanty were rejected. By 44 production of all k98's was pretty streamlined.. I wanted to post a side by side comparison of two JPS LSR's that show consistanty in Saure production.. The bolt bodies are rough milled with odd color..Barrles have a plumb tone compaired to the receiver. The font of the number is the key to seeing if the safety is correct and not added at a later date. Saure used a very specific font.. Also most checkered buttplates leave a witness mark on the stock. that waffleing will be imbossed in the wood.
Things to check for sure.. I just wanted to post two jps lsr's side by side showing consistantcy in production..

Good points. Excellent comparison.

mauser99
01-15-2013, 09:14 AM
bump for comparison..