1937 JP Sauer, "m" Block

Here is a nice early JP Sauer "m" block gun....all matching EXCEPT the cocking piece and safety....

Nice solid walnut stoc, well marked, all Weimar droop wings, small "H".

Interesting acceptances on RR, first is a Nazi E/359, then two Weimar E/214's...looks like Walther switched to Nazi WaA before Sauer did....

Everything numbered including screws, lock screws even have E/214's.

Came with a numbered rod, but number doesn't match gun...

A bit worn, non-import marked...looks like it saw some use.

Too bad about the safety and cocking pices...although the safety is 8905, kinda close, but the WaA looks like E/655...cocking piece is 4976, but appears to be E/214 marked...FP matches gun.

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Very nice. Thanks for posting!

Nice, pic stickied pzjgr, thanks for posting.
HB

They sure did! In more ways than one!

Fritz Walther was an early nazi, 1930 or so? The Sauer brothers 1937 or so- by then if you snoozed you lose.. join or else. Interestingly both firms were one of the few that were still family owned, - Steyr was heavily leveraged by banks and the Austrian government until the Reichswerke "convinced" the owners of the idea of selling, MO was still part of a conglomerate connected to DWM and the big wigs full blown nazi dirtbag (The US Army actually had an intelligence report on him during the war.. his x-wife was married to Goebbels! Talking about being uncomfortable as a businessman! Like your x-wife being married to obama pit pull Rahm Emanuel.. ) the rest were all part of rather large concerns or owned by industrialists.

Anyway, one of the things I always liked about Sauer was their "tardiness" in joining the nazis, - it didn't help them in the end, as they lost everything as did every company in Suhl but hey at least they had some morals?

pzjgr said:

Interesting acceptances on RR, first is a Nazi E/359, then two Weimar E/214's...looks like Walther switched to Nazi WaA before Sauer did....

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Mike, I might also say I appreciate the great pics! I have your datasheets (thanks) but always nice to see the rifles too!

Thanks guys!

Hey Paul, (or anyone else who might know) strictly a technical production question...but how would these receivers arrive at Sauer as far as markings?

I assume since Walther manufactured them, they would stamp their WaA in the first position on the RR, but would they roll stamp them with the S/147 and date, or would they be basically blank aside from their one WaA, and then Sauer would put the code and date on them? Where in the process did they get stamped with the code and date, early on before the barrel was assembled, or later?

I read somewhere that the reason the markings on at least later Sauer receivers seem a tad light is because they were marked before the final polish. The final polish had a tendency to wash the markings out...I've noticed that on the ce coded recievers, they do seem light, not deep and distinct...

I think the markings were done at the receiver manufacturer- that's why you see 2 different types of codes for JP Sauer, cursive (Walther) and block (Erma).

great looking rifle pzjgr! I love how the metal has that slightly worn look but the stock is still crisp

Sauer..

Nice rifle. I have a no letter block s/147 1937..It's often common for sauer rifles to have little to no blueing on the bands and floorplate. Even if the receiver is 98%..It seems they had an issue with the chemical etching well to these parts. Also, I guess yes is the question on the receiver stampings and it all makes sense. Even though the fact Walther made receiver's does'nt... But, that was well bashed out on the 'other' forum !! Right Paul. I have to tend to agree to the facts and not try to dream up reasons where and why these things were done.. I will start posting some of my rifles soon I hope..HEy Farb when the hell are you gonna fix these non contrasting colors on this sight !!!!

Nice one!!

Thanks for posting!


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S/147 1937

Turbo Archie said:

Nice one!!

Thanks for posting!


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Pzjgr:
Very nice rifle! Don't worry about the small pieces on the bolt not matching, that's minor.
I have a S/1427 1937 with the "p" suffix and it has an early Laminate stock. They must have
changed somewhere "n"? Anyway, I like the walnut better. Thanks for posting.
Bob

I agree, receivers stamped to order at the receivers mfg (the hardness acceptance), you can tell this also from the fact of all the Astrawerke oddballs (bcd marked) and the confusion it creates with some collectors who do not look at finals and acceptance.

Made for Gustloff but diverted.

mrfarb said:

I think the markings were done at the receiver manufacturer- that's why you see 2 different types of codes for JP Sauer, cursive (Walther) and block (Erma).

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