Last year some predicted that the hyped discussion about XRF technology to authenticate German helmets was the precursor to the sale of XRF pie charts and COAs (certificates of authenticity) and that the XRF ray gun would be making the rounds at shows for that purpose. Some of us predicted last year that dealers would start popping up with these pie charts and COAs attached to their price tags. This has all come to be. I'm all for objective testing. I am not for the establishment of a few as the "authenticity gurus" slinging around "science" and "facts" in ad campaigns without transparency and a vetting of their processes. Science and facts stand on their own merit. IMHO, "because we say so" is not "science" nor is it "objective testing" and it isn't vetted.
To date, none of the significant questions have been answered. To date, helmet forums (i.e. WAF) has done nothing more than hype "XRFacts", lock threads, and censor and ban not only critics, but even those who dare ask the questions that remain unanswered. Walhalla has come closest to objective review, but one mod, "SStK" advertises for XRF, the other calls it out, then the thread is locked. I welcome objective testing that can stand the test of objective scrutiny and open, uncensored discussion. I do not welcome a cram down of XRF based upon "because we say so" and WAFmod censorship.
I invite the proponents of XRFacts and XRF testing to address these issues on an open, uncensored forum, such as here or Gunboards. Anyone can hype a position when the mods delete, censor, and ban those that disagree. Only through open discussion can the process gain acceptance by people that are capable of independent thought and intellect. I recommend a review of the Gunboards discussions as the only independent, uncensored, and objective review of the subject thus far, IMHO.
Links:
Gunboards discussions:
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?141399-Good-idea-bad-results-Helmet-testing
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...edback-on-XRFACTS-and-Authentication-Services
WAF thread (heavily censored and history revised):
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=448654&highlight=xrf
Walhalla (first part soft soap advertisement, second reality IMHO):
http://www.walhalla.se/topic/21915-xrf-observations-on-the-technology-and-the-certification/
EDIT 07-17-12 Threads deleted by "Vid" at Gunboards, now restored (thanks Vic):
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?218392-XRFacts-Moves-From-Helmet-Paint-To-Cloth
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?216480-XRF-update&highlight=xrfacts
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...-bad-results-Helmet-testing&highlight=xrfacts
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...Liars-and-Kool-Aid-Drinkers&highlight=xrfacts
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...-quot-!!!-The-XRFacts-forum&highlight=xrfacts
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?216480-XRF-update
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?141399-Good-idea-bad-results-Helmet-testing
Why does WAF censor XRFacts discussions? IMHO it is grossly inappropriate for a "moderator" to censor and ban to inflict his position on a forum. Forums are for open and free discussion so that all sides are presented. That is how good information is derived. See the screenshots below:
To date, none of the significant questions have been answered. To date, helmet forums (i.e. WAF) has done nothing more than hype "XRFacts", lock threads, and censor and ban not only critics, but even those who dare ask the questions that remain unanswered. Walhalla has come closest to objective review, but one mod, "SStK" advertises for XRF, the other calls it out, then the thread is locked. I welcome objective testing that can stand the test of objective scrutiny and open, uncensored discussion. I do not welcome a cram down of XRF based upon "because we say so" and WAFmod censorship.
I invite the proponents of XRFacts and XRF testing to address these issues on an open, uncensored forum, such as here or Gunboards. Anyone can hype a position when the mods delete, censor, and ban those that disagree. Only through open discussion can the process gain acceptance by people that are capable of independent thought and intellect. I recommend a review of the Gunboards discussions as the only independent, uncensored, and objective review of the subject thus far, IMHO.
Links:
Gunboards discussions:
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?141399-Good-idea-bad-results-Helmet-testing
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...edback-on-XRFACTS-and-Authentication-Services
WAF thread (heavily censored and history revised):
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=448654&highlight=xrf
Walhalla (first part soft soap advertisement, second reality IMHO):
http://www.walhalla.se/topic/21915-xrf-observations-on-the-technology-and-the-certification/
EDIT 07-17-12 Threads deleted by "Vid" at Gunboards, now restored (thanks Vic):
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?218392-XRFacts-Moves-From-Helmet-Paint-To-Cloth
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?216480-XRF-update&highlight=xrfacts
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...-bad-results-Helmet-testing&highlight=xrfacts
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...Liars-and-Kool-Aid-Drinkers&highlight=xrfacts
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...-quot-!!!-The-XRFacts-forum&highlight=xrfacts
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?216480-XRF-update
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?141399-Good-idea-bad-results-Helmet-testing
Why does WAF censor XRFacts discussions? IMHO it is grossly inappropriate for a "moderator" to censor and ban to inflict his position on a forum. Forums are for open and free discussion so that all sides are presented. That is how good information is derived. See the screenshots below:
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