Depot Rifle w/ byf 41 & WaA359 Stock
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Bob in OHIO
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Next, the stock w/ WaA 359 (someone X it out), and is
numbered inside and out.
numbered inside and out.
Of note:
Handguard is E/214 and walnut and numbered inside.
Buttplate was used before (E/623), and cancelled and renumbered.
Stock has a small E/280 in the RS wood
Handguard is E/214 and walnut and numbered inside.
Buttplate was used before (E/623), and cancelled and renumbered.
Stock has a small E/280 in the RS wood
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Bob in OHIO
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Bob in OHIO
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Bob,
The picture byfdepot_01 - what is this marking? Doesn't really look e/280 to me? Where is it located?
I agree with M22, these are the coolest of the rifle variations and can be gotten for a fraction of their value!
The picture byfdepot_01 - what is this marking? Doesn't really look e/280 to me? Where is it located?
I agree with M22, these are the coolest of the rifle variations and can be gotten for a fraction of their value!
I have seen them use other than "x" before, in both eras, and this was probably just the same used for the "9" in the serial on the buttplate- better than using a "2" or "3"?
One of the things that make these interesting is the individuality of the armorer, circumstances, period involved. They were not in the formal setting of a factory, following the strictest practices (needed for mass production), and you see little variations to each rifle.
Usually you can tell this was just expedience, with less concern for neatness or formality, - get it in and out quickly and efficiently. Something that humpers haven't grasped yet- they didn't do a lot of extra markings, or especially neat work that would have taken time.
One of the things that make these interesting is the individuality of the armorer, circumstances, period involved. They were not in the formal setting of a factory, following the strictest practices (needed for mass production), and you see little variations to each rifle.
Usually you can tell this was just expedience, with less concern for neatness or formality, - get it in and out quickly and efficiently. Something that humpers haven't grasped yet- they didn't do a lot of extra markings, or especially neat work that would have taken time.
BiO, looks to me like a "classic" depot rework/repair, rebarreled, refinished (period to the rework) with a cannibalized stock from another weapon, and mostly the original parts placed back on the rifle. I agree completely with the above comments. Neat piece BiO.
Bob in OHIO
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Thx gents...
SS- The E/280?? ... it's on the right side below the TDD , small and where I have seen Su marked before on Wayne's marked trainer.... just can't really make it out very well. Will look again.
This was a train wreck when I bought it. Someone had taken it ALL apart and they had trouble getting the recoil lug + bayo lug back together. For how it was and where it was and the condition it is, plus the turds in the barrel... it wasn't the blue light special you'd think. The unsanded wood, the proof in the RS, matched bolt helped make the wallet snap open.
The spring for the rear sight is early .... like E/132 and the recoil lug has a box proof. A real mix of parts... the used (Steyr) buttplate was slapped on a new armors stock IMO. Odd how the Geco blue took a hit while the receiver stayed decent through two barrels.
Any signficance to both the 0,2 + 7,9 on the barrel?
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Bigdibbs88
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Looks like 8n4 to me, but obviously it would be something else as that doesn't work either. I suspect this is the depot mark if you can decipher it.
I think e/132 was an early waffenamt for ERMA, as I recall? Not sure the range but early.
One means it is an ordnance spare, as 0,2 is only seen on depot jobs, and the caliber is typical of almost all barrels, certainly ordnance spares. I think they drop this later in the war though?
I think e/132 was an early waffenamt for ERMA, as I recall? Not sure the range but early.
One means it is an ordnance spare, as 0,2 is only seen on depot jobs, and the caliber is typical of almost all barrels, certainly ordnance spares. I think they drop this later in the war though?
Bob in OHIO
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It appears to be a very clear 'Psn 2' for the depot at Posen. You guys need glasses.
Awesome rifle, BTW!
Very well could be!
I have no recorded rifles with this mark, "Psn2" and only one report of a Posen rework- a stock only.
That is in a KCN report Sept94 written by MarkW, about a 1918 Spandau "H" receiver (depot build in WWI) with a mismatched stock that has the following markings.
It has two markings MarkW attributed to HZa Posen, - Pon1 (along the bottom of buttstock) and Pon2 (right side stock- and how he draws it the same type eagle).
It can easily be that MarkW mistook the Psn for Pon.
I will say though, that Ken Huddle also uses "Pon" for Posen in his HZa list, and I do not have a "German" list that outlines this particular HZa abbreviation, but I have noted before that there are, it seems, variations to how the depots identified themselves. Possibly a result of periods or time frames. (perhaps Pon is earlier-Psn later?)
Hard to say but I am certain that this is a depot stamp.
I have no recorded rifles with this mark, "Psn2" and only one report of a Posen rework- a stock only.
That is in a KCN report Sept94 written by MarkW, about a 1918 Spandau "H" receiver (depot build in WWI) with a mismatched stock that has the following markings.
It has two markings MarkW attributed to HZa Posen, - Pon1 (along the bottom of buttstock) and Pon2 (right side stock- and how he draws it the same type eagle).
It can easily be that MarkW mistook the Psn for Pon.
I will say though, that Ken Huddle also uses "Pon" for Posen in his HZa list, and I do not have a "German" list that outlines this particular HZa abbreviation, but I have noted before that there are, it seems, variations to how the depots identified themselves. Possibly a result of periods or time frames. (perhaps Pon is earlier-Psn later?)
Hard to say but I am certain that this is a depot stamp.
Bob in OHIO
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Well this is pretty cool beans....
sure looks like what Ryan said.... Psn 2
Perhaps another snippet of info to our ever growing
body of knowledge...
sure looks like what Ryan said.... Psn 2
Perhaps another snippet of info to our ever growing
body of knowledge...
Turbo Archie
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Great thread!!!
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Bob in OHIO
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