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    I took about 70 pictures of the bcd 42 last night but did not get them posted because the site was down. I will get them posted today. I am pretty sure i got all of the bbl markings. Also I noticed on the CE 43 the Swastikas are not recognizable like the die was broken or someone purposely removed them. Is this common?

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    Default 147/ce

    j.p.s. Used a small test proof stamp. Sometimes it's hard to make out. Sometimes it's defaced. I've seen some where they took a tiny prick punch and wacked the swazstica. It's hard to say..Most bcd42's have a dual coded barrel. Bys & aws?? I need to look at mine. I'm away from it right now..

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    A Gustloff Werke Weimar, bcd/42, could have almost any barrel as that is the most varied year. They used just about every firm that supplied barrels.. primarily Ruhrstahl (bys/avk), as they were the official supplier to the Saxony Group which was set up for the purpose of supplying Gustloff. But they used FN extensively, -as well as the Dutch arsenal AI and just about any other is possible.

    1941-42 Gustloff is the most interesting firm for the barrel code study; even after 1942 they do not disappoint and come up with oddball stuff, even the occasional in-house barrel.

    They have to be the most screwed up company ever to make a product. - as they say, you get what you pay for and as they were so tied to slave labor- far more than Steyr, who was up to their elbows in blood- its a good thing they didn't "actually" make very many of the component parts. Not sure I would really want to shoot a 98k with a "bcd" barrel.

    As for Sauer, probably the last real firm that was family owned (probably leveraged by banks, as most machine tool/firearm related firms were..), - last to join the nazi party- and probably the least guilty firm all things considered. They did use the minimalistic f/p, as did Brno (dot), and its probably just wishful thinking that it was because these two firms were just a "little" less nazi than the others.

    Reading the post war interviews with the Czech (about their armaments industry) they sure try to distance themselves from "cooperating/collaborating"! Though I think itís more like reading the "Buchenwalde Report" where the events described are EXTREMELY exaggerated as to resistance.

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    Default Here is the bcd 42

    Please let me know if more pictures are needed. Greg
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    bcd 42 #2
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    bcd 42 #3
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    bcd 42 #4 & final
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    100% legit...man that thing is nice. Pretty tough one to find....lower band should be numbered though. Like you said sight is mismatched too. Someone may have already mentioned, but the general consensus is that 42 is one of the tougher years to find....those parts will impact value but i dont think as much as it normally would, this is a fairly sought after code. Notice all the lower case letters for subcontracted parts, from bayonet lug right down to the buttplate. As simson may have mentioned, Gustloff was primarily an assembler. Nice piece!
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    Agree, it is legit and very nice. I get all excited when I see the foreign contract parts on these, like that FN barrel. I don't know why.

    It is a pity about the rear sight and the unnumbered rear band, but both could have easily been field replaced during the war. I can't see any reason why anyone would feel the need to remove a rear sight post war.

    Bring on the Sauer!

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    I agree w/BigD & Ryan, nice rifle, very possibly period done (but m/m is m/m and most collectors do not give too much latitude to theories when buying- some are more open to theories when selling!)

    The barrel is as BigD says, FN finished, made with an unidentified blank, - very probably an "occupied" (Dutch or Belgian) steel firms blank, as many are unknown. I have a decent file on logo's for the larger steel mills but most are German.

    The Dutch especially hoarded raw materials before the occupation and lots of material was on hand. Several books go into the dilemma the Dutch faced -and Germans- who couldn't decide whether to use the materials in the occupied territories employing the Dutch firms, or to send it to Germany.
    Largely a compromise was reached for the first year or two, mostly to ease the Dutch unemployment and make the Dutch more open to German occupation.. this changed when the war went south, and the nazis went with their favored approach (what is most natural for all socialists) to occupation "management"- brutality, thievery, and mismanagement, with a little slave labor thrown in to make sure everyone knew who nazis really are.

    Anyway, nice rifle and I agree, the small m/m parts should not distract to terribly on the end price for most collectors.

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