Resin stock 243 code 1937 date

miles136 · Feb 28, 2010

Resin stock S/243 code 1937 date

Here are photos of an authentic resin stock...some or all of the rifle had been reblued long ago, it looks great though...

Pisgah can maybe comment he has seen it in person

miles136 · Feb 28, 2010

It was all original matching but Ill show mainly pics of the stock, the interesting part....

miles136 · Feb 28, 2010

some pics with flash, some without

Hambone · Feb 28, 2010

Great pics JM. Thanks for posting those.

miles136 · Feb 28, 2010

Im hoping that Simson has more info on this thing...I thought that he had documented the details of this one when I posted it on GB and other info on the real ones...this one was numbered in the stock channel or under the buttplate with a lot number or something....I cant remember which.......I hope he has it recorded....

it was also Id'd to a vet from Speers, PA...he scratched his name and address on the butt under the buttplate!

I cant find the darn pics of it! UGH

vaughn99 · Mar 1, 2010

with your permission i'll post them for you. Just let me know if you want them taken down as they are yours.

later
vaughn

miles136 · Mar 2, 2010

vaughn99 said:
with your permission i'll post them for you. Just let me know if you want them taken down as they are yours.

later
vaughn

There you go vaughn to the rescue again

can you email them to me I can t find em on my puter, Ill put them in the file I created for this thing

thanks!! PM me Ill send my email

Loewe · Mar 2, 2010

Sure, I do follow these.

There are 7 known, 3 are stocks only, 4 are reported complete (3 are known complete- one is only a report) All known complete rifles are 1937 dated and all fall within the b and c block. They seem to intermingle with regular production.

The 1945 US Army study done also references a S243/37 (serial is unknown) so it is almost a certainty that all are 1937 Borsigwalde production. (not 1940 dated as most humpers use- because of Backbone)

There are a couple dubious examples that I doubt are original, but there is an argument to made for them (knowledgeable collectors mention them as authentic); they have a different appearance than the cheap frauds and are better made, but not the same as originals. I think they are earlier and better made fake stocks.

We are still a long way from having a clear picture of this variation.

History · Mar 2, 2010

There was one at the SOS last year, is this it ? It had be re-blued also.

timdp · Mar 9, 2010

Makes me want to make a stock mold and lay one up in carbon fiber.

Sorry for the digression...

Tim

Hambone · Mar 9, 2010

Once set up, it doesn't take much to injection mold a phenolic resin stock in whatever color, texture, wood chips, etc., you want. That material is easily workable at high heat, which is why it is still used for many things today, namely boards for electronics. The Las Vegas Flash had several of these he was peddling at the various auctions, claiming them original.

Simson, it's funny when fakers knock off fakes. That "Kriegsmarine" M stock marked byf 42 is an example.

History · Mar 9, 2010

Would/ could you post some pictures with the reciever barrel out of the stock, the stock channel? Would be interesting to see inside one of these.

denny gaither · Aug 21, 2010

SimsonSuhl said:
Sure, I do follow these.

The 1945 US Army study done also references a S243/37 (serial is unknown) so it is almost a certainty that all are 1937 Borsigwalde production. (not 1940 dated as most humpers use- because of Backbone)

We are still a long way from having a clear picture of this variation.

Just a tidbit of info - when I saw and handled the Aberdeen example in the early 90's, the stock was mounted on a bnz41 rifle. I suspect the original rifle was tested to death and the stock was placed on the Steyr rifle by an unknowledgeable museum worker. I wrote the serial numbers down, but can't find them now!!! :facepalm:

Loewe · Aug 21, 2010

DG, Nice picture of the rifle, - KenH did a datasheet on this rifle for the KCN and has described the rifle in some detail in email conversations.

The rifle (bnz/41) serial is 769 c and the stock is serial 156 c with MB acceptance as one would expect. It was covered in the KCN a couple of times I believe by Ken, and he examined the rifle in person.

denny gaither · Aug 22, 2010

SimsonSuhl said:
DG, Nice picture of the rifle, - KenH did a datasheet on this rifle for the KCN and has described the rifle in some detail in email conversations.

The rifle (bnz/41) serial is 769 c and the stock is serial 156 c with MB acceptance as one would expect. It was covered in the KCN a couple of times I believe by Ken, and he examined the rifle in person.

Thanks for your kind reply, but these are lousy pictures! Taken before the advent of the digital camera. I would love to go back to Aberdeen and retake the hundred or so pictures with a good camera. Here is one more....

Bob in OHIO · Aug 22, 2010

And another...

http://lmd-militaria.com/page80.html

Loewe · Aug 22, 2010

Agreed, the pictures are not all that good quality but before them, all I had was Ken's datasheet and his personal observations.

He said the stock was quite nice, and the 1945 US Army report states the stocks are quite durable (if not impractical in cold weather! Apparently they have the feel of metal in winter conditions and are very uncomfortable to hold bare handed!)

PizzaBert · Mar 12, 2024

Sorry to resurrect such an old post, but I know the current owner of this rifle and it’s more beautiful in person.

Maybe next time I visit, I’ll get it to the light box to take some better photos of it.

mauser202 · Mar 13, 2024

I have a friend that has one, all matching and near perfect condition. Cool idea that was ahead of its time.

PizzaBert · Mar 13, 2024

mauser202 said:
I have a friend that has one, all matching and near perfect condition. Cool idea that was ahead of its time.

Has it been posted here? I think many would love to see pictures of it.

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