This week I had the luck to purchase a K98 Double Claw sniper. Vet purchase , salty looking, bolt MM, flat buttplate and laminated stock, but it came with capture papers and bring home box, along with a 1935 dated Russian TOZ? 22 caliber rifle, also on the capture papers. The K98 came with a Karl Kahles " Wien" Heliavier scope. The scope does not sit correctly on the rifle. The rear mount is to short. It does mount , but looks up. But this is the one that he brought back. For now my question is that the front mount completely covers the name of the maker. The only thing that is seen is the letter " i " on the barrel , side of the breach and also the buttplate. Can someone tell from this who made it? Thanks Banjomike
Double claw sniper
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Double Claw Sniper
If a board member would accept Email pictures and post for me I will send. banjomikehashem@aol.com
If a board member would accept Email pictures and post for me I will send. banjomikehashem@aol.com
Absolut
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The last set of pictures.
According to what I can see, it's a J.P. Sauer & Sohn K98k rifle (WaA37 on stock). For me it however looks like a civilean conversion with Suhler Claw Mounts, since both the scope is civilean and also has civilean mounts on it.
According to what I can see, it's a J.P. Sauer & Sohn K98k rifle (WaA37 on stock). For me it however looks like a civilean conversion with Suhler Claw Mounts, since both the scope is civilean and also has civilean mounts on it.
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Thanks to Absolut for posting the pictures. Everything that was said I agree with. Seeing as how the the capture papers were made out in May 1945 the rifle must have seen service as a sniper. I thought all that all Double Claw snipers were made up rifles as per needed before the run of SSRS and LSRS Etc. Is this correct? Once again thank you. Banjomikel
Thanks to Absolut for posting the pictures. Everything that was said I agree with. Seeing as how the the capture papers were made out in May 1945 the rifle must have seen service as a sniper. I thought all that all Double Claw snipers were made up rifles as per needed before the run of SSRS and LSRS Etc. Is this correct? Once again thank you. Banjomikel
Sorry to disagree but this is an Object Mount DBL CLAW Sniper Rifle.
This Link shows the Correct Scope & Rings for Your Rifle
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?31-Scope-Pics
This Link shows the Correct Scope & Rings for Your Rifle
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?31-Scope-Pics
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Sniper rifle
Thank you for the correct description of the scope needed for my rifle. I am unfamiliar with the term Object Mount. Can you explain better. All I see is the back mount is taller than the one on my rifle. Are any of these scopes around? banjomike
Thank you for the correct description of the scope needed for my rifle. I am unfamiliar with the term Object Mount. Can you explain better. All I see is the back mount is taller than the one on my rifle. Are any of these scopes around? banjomike
Capture Papers
There is no mention of the scope on the capture papers. Nor is there serial numbers mentioned. But they came from the estate this way. Regards banjomike
There is no mention of the scope on the capture papers. Nor is there serial numbers mentioned. But they came from the estate this way. Regards banjomike
Absolut
Senior Member
Mike, all I wanted to say that this document doesn't proof that the scope came with the rifle originally. If it would, I believe the scope would have been mentioned.
I however do believe that the rifle is indeed the one which is mentioned in the capture paper. My believe is that it was converted in the US with this scope, somewhen between the capture and now.
The reason for this is that all original period pictures of K98k double claw snipers show a different way of mount, especially now referring to the rear scope base. Also note that the scope shows signs of a previously soldered mount, which wouldn't have been the case if it was originally factory built in WWII.
I however do believe that the rifle is indeed the one which is mentioned in the capture paper. My believe is that it was converted in the US with this scope, somewhen between the capture and now.
The reason for this is that all original period pictures of K98k double claw snipers show a different way of mount, especially now referring to the rear scope base. Also note that the scope shows signs of a previously soldered mount, which wouldn't have been the case if it was originally factory built in WWII.
Texasbadger
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Sniper
Neat rifle, the objective mount refers to where the front scope mount is soldered to the objective end of scope rather than on the tube where most are mounted or attached to their mounts
Neat rifle, the objective mount refers to where the front scope mount is soldered to the objective end of scope rather than on the tube where most are mounted or attached to their mounts
Ryan
Actually the Rings and Scope pictured are a different type . Pictured is an Ajack with Focal Adjustment and Front Ring is mounted on Objective and Rear I would expect to likely have to have 2 Claws but may have only one claw on rear now this is just a guess/hunch . I have only ever seen one such Rifle sell it was at Hermann Historica .
As for Your Question on Scope Mike these Scope & Rings are next to Impossible to find I know of 4 in collection . Very Very Hard to get . I will post some Pics of my Rifle later today or tomorrow . Best Regards
Actually the Rings and Scope pictured are a different type . Pictured is an Ajack with Focal Adjustment and Front Ring is mounted on Objective and Rear I would expect to likely have to have 2 Claws but may have only one claw on rear now this is just a guess/hunch . I have only ever seen one such Rifle sell it was at Hermann Historica .
As for Your Question on Scope Mike these Scope & Rings are next to Impossible to find I know of 4 in collection . Very Very Hard to get . I will post some Pics of my Rifle later today or tomorrow . Best Regards
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The Rifle in the Pic Ryan posted has different Scope , Rings and Bases from the Rifle in Question. Here are two Pics which show the same type Sniper Rifle with correct Scope and Rings . I have also posted few Pics of my Sniper Rifle . The Last Pic is the type Sniper Rifle Pictured in Ryan`s Photo and it is the one I mentioned that sold at HermannHistorica Auction 47 if You care to read description . Best Regards
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Absolut
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It's this one -> http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/auktion/hhm47.pl?f=NR&c=31042&t=temartic_S_D&db=kat47_S.txt
Hermann-Historica describes it as a SS-Dienstglas.
Hermann-Historica describes it as a SS-Dienstglas.
There was more Pics when the Auction took place and there were No SS Proofs on the Rifle and no SS-Dienstglas markings on the Scope . The Scope had typical Ajack 4X90 & Serial Number . If You look at the Rear Ring and Base from both they appear to be the same type. Best Regards
