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Hello,

Iam looking for more infos about the rifle equipment. Starting with the soldiers personal
rifle kit and tools. Anybody here has for example a M/88 or G 98 rifle cleaning kit?
Would be great to see some tools from your collections or manuals and documents.

The M/71 and M/71-84 used a screw driver. Iam not sure about oil bottles. A funnel was used to pure hot water in the barrel.

With the M/88 they changed in 1894 to oil cleaning the rifle - a pull through cord was introduced. I have no infos about a screw driver or oil bottle. Probably the M/71 type

There is a tin box for the G 98 - resembling the RG 34 Reinigungsgeraet. Using a seperate tin lid,the box has three tin walls. One compartment for a tin oil bottle, the pull through cord in the middle and a brush.

Any idea - any more informations???
 
Hello,
and a HAPPY NEW YEAR!

attached some photos showing
WWI rifle screw driver,
1927 dated Reichswehr pouch for rifle cleaning utilities with WWI pull through cord and wooden cleaning sticks,
sales box for wooden cleaning sticks (1930s), (auction photos)
tin box for rifle grease 1916. (auction photos)
The pull through cords that came back with the Turkish Mauser rifles always have lead weights, the German cleaning cords have steel weights.
Have never seen or heard about a tin box for G98. I only know that the German Army introduced a (pressed paper) bag in WWI.
I'll post some drawings from a 1902 dated manual for the G98 rifle later.

Hope this helps.
Wolf

How can I get the photos in the correct order?
 

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Hello,
concerning the tin box for G98, you are not talking about a box, as shown on the attached photos?
As far as I know this one is pre WWII Dutch.
Wolf
 

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Good stuff Amberg! I'm going to pic sticky this in the photo reference thread. I've yet to figure out how to get the photos to stay in order, I think it's a problem inherent with the system.
 
Best wishes for the new year 2011 to all of you.
Thanks for the great infos and pics. Until now Ive thought the tin was a G98 one. Ive saw some in french museums together with german equipment.
 

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Here are some more pull throughs and a puch. These survived in MG 08/15 kits.
 

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Here are some screw drivers. Starting with an old M/41 Needlefire tool and screw driver blade. The M/62 Needlefire sd is a lathed round handle with an seperate blade. This was
probably used for the M/71 too.
A wooden handle for the blade is known too but more an armourers tool.
The Oil bottle is needlefire too but might be used on.
All these tools are mentioned and documented in the manuals.
 

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Regarding to the M/71-84 rifle manual this new screw driver was introduced with the rifle. The blade could be folded into the handle and is fixed with a rivet. The hole is for an leather lanyard.
These are known in two different sizes and we believe the smaller one is for the Reichsrevolver.
Conversions of the M/62 sc using a rivet and folding blade are known too.
 

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Hello,
very nice collection! Thanks
What do you think about the pull throughs that came with the MG08/15 kits? Looks like lead weights.
Any markings on the bag?

As I said before, I'm not sure about the three compartment box. But I do not think it is German WWI.
Some more photos.
Reichswehr bag in use.
Dutch/G98? tin box in comparison with WWII RG34 and another unknown box (D.R.G.M. marked) that came with cleaning utilities.
WWI armorers cleaning rod (next to G98 fencing rifle)
box with tow / cleaning patches (probably 1930s)
Wolf
 

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Well-done Wolfgang, and I cannot think of someone who has more information on these, except perhaps CB.

One day, if you have the time, think about doing a thread on those exercise (fencing) rifles, as they are impossible to find here. I am sure others would very much like to see your collection of these!
 
Thank you.
Before I can start a new threat on the exercise rifles, I have to take some more and better photos. Soon.

Not Imperial Era, but another rare bird is the so called butterfly chain. Probably introduced in the very late 1920s or early 1930s these chains are usually found in undated (pre 1935) G.Appel RG34 cleaning kits. One came with a 1927 dated Reichswehr cleaning bag. Two others in D.R.P. (Postschutz) marked RG34.
Produced for .22 and 8mm, they were issued with specific brushes and cleaning patches.
Wolf
 

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Those butterfly pull through are darn rare, never seen one for sale, though a few collectors own one (not me unfortunately); in an old KCN article (1993 by Hank Wichmann) he describes the pull through variations, and this one is the earliest in his outline.

His butterfly pull through was found in a "KH/1935" can, and the butterfly pull through marked "G.Appel 1935"

On a side note, Hank also mentioned the possibility of Steyr's facility at Graz making cleaning accessories (a tool marked e/815 & bnz/2 shield), though MarkW later query him on the possibility of a MG connection regarding the tools. Normally, I would discount the Steyr Graz observation and attribute Mark's comments as the most likely. However BerndN, another very resourceful German collector, in his MRJ article on the RG34, also mentioned seeing a can marked "kur" and their waffenamt e/815.

Very possibly a MG cleaning kit connection, but as I have seen pictures of your collection, I just have to ask, have you any thoughts on the Steyr Graz (kur) RG34?
 
The 7,92 chain is unmarked and came in a DRP marked 1935 G.Appel kit.
The .22 chain is also unmarked and came in an early ChdA W marked kit.

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The early chamber tools without the floorplate stud are pretty tough to come by also.
The 1935 spoon was in a DRP marked 1935 G.Appel kit and the unmarked spoon came out of a 1935 Mundlos kit.

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There were also a limited number of Rg34's that had an extra 9mm cleaning brush held in place by a clip under the lid. The aluminum collar on the brush prevented it from being used in the 7,92mm barrel. This kit was made by G.Appel....no date.

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Hello,
Only one of my butterfly pull throughs is G.Appel 1935 marked. My personal opinion is that 1935 was the last year these chains were produced.

G.Appel only had the patent on the oiler. The patent is dated April 1931, and was published in August 1933. There is no patent on the chain, no DRGM, no nothing. Who developed the cleaning chain? I have no documents concerning the change from the pull through cord to the chain. Hopefully CB can help out.

Concerning cleaning kits made by Steyr .
I very much doubt that Steyr made any cleaning kits. Maybe Steyr assembled RGs with parts from other companies/subcontractors? What I can say for sure is that I did not come across a real Steyr made RG34. But this does not mean much. There is so much unknown stuff out there.
Some months ago I did not know anything about the "rbl44" cleaning kits. Now I have an empty "rbl44" box in my collection, waiting to be completed. I've heard of five more in other collections. That is why I do NOT dare to say: NO, Steyr did not produce any RG34s. I only did not see one so far.

Some more photos...

WaA611 RG34
hZaJt20 stamp on tool
rbl44 RG34
G.Appel patent on oiler
unusual 8mm Mundlos marked cleaning chain with weight
Appel trademark on oiler
different 1935 Appel tools

Wolf
 

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Really nice quality Peter! I do not think I have seen one of those 9mm kits before?

Wolfgang, really interesting items, what was the purpose of the weighted pull through? Any thoughts on the e/611 acceptance or the Ingolstadt acceptance?

As for rbl/44, back in 2005, a latewar collector that many hold in high regard, sold an rbl/44 kit on ebay. I did not follow its end price, but I have the text and pictures (this is the only one I have seen- but I do not actively search them out):

rbl 44 Rg34 cleaning kit for Mauser K98, 98k ,or G43Item number: 6509508306

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No overseas bids accepted on this auction. You are bidding on a very nice "rbl" code cleaning kit for the German Mauser K98, 98K, G41, G43, K43 etc. It is a late example dated 1944. It is complete with plastic oiler, takedown tool, both brushes, and cleaning chain. Can is in nice shape with usual wear and tear and a couple light dings. It appears to be a brass colored metal that has been painted over. This is the only one of these rbl 44 kits I have ever ran into and I am offering it for auction on e-bay for the first time. So if you are looking for a nice 1944 dated kit, this is just the ticket for you. Shipping and insurance will be $6 for priority mail. Winning bidders must respond within 3 days and payment must be received within 10 days of auctions end. Payment by money order and paypal only. Please make sure to check my other auctions for other interesting items. Good Luck!
 

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Sight Adjustment and Hood Removal Tool

I found this in Norway a couple of years ago, no markings on either tool so I may be a field armorers creation. Adjuster has very fine thread and micrometer type markings for adjusting windage. This fits MP44 front sights as well. Hood removal tool works perfectly. Any thoughts on the origin? Anyone ever seen anything like this kicking around?
 

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The converted tool with folding blade is a tool made by Hessen Darmstadt for the M/67 needlefire conversion of their muzzle loaders. After loosing the war against Prussia in 1866 the Hessen Darmstadt army gets prussian regulations and equipment. Interesting and rare tool. These tools where used with the later rifle models too.
 

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Hello,
D.V.E. Nr. 257 Leitfaden betreffend das Gewehr 88, dated 1904 bears a lot of information, but no photos/drawings.
e.g.
one (Schloßschlüssel) bolt tool for 3 rifles
one (Schraubendreher) screw driver for 10 rifles

for cleaning:
funnel, cleaning rod 93, pull through cord, oil and grease ....
cleaning rods 93 are to be optained from the Gewehrfabrik Spandau. The use of other cleaning rods is forbidden.
"Vulkanöl", to be ordered from the nearest artillery depot to remove rust ...
"Terpentinöl" (turpentine), to remove rust ...
"Petroleum" (kerosine, paraffine, petroleum ?), to be used as a replacement for Vulkanöl and Terpentin. ONLY in the field.

Boiled lineseed oil and gun grease is to be used to clean/maintain the stock.
ONLY Dr. Treumann's Leinölfirnis is allowed. This is to be optained from the artillery repair shop (Werkstatt) Spandau.
gun grease consists of 5 parts lard and 1 part unbleached beeswax.

Wolf
 

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