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Winter Trigger 98 and Manual Addendum Insert.. Of interest the addendum states that the winter trigger can be used with the 98/40, which it will not fit...BILL
 

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I thought we had a thread with all the winter triggers in it? I found another kpe phosphate and wanted to compare it. I'll just add to this one since it's in the sticky. Here's my phosphate ofh:

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Here's the kpe I just found (sellers pics):

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Jeff, I stickied it awhile back. At one time we had a very good thread at GB with a number of winter trigger examples, but they were all lost. If you've saved those we really do need a post with originals. You contributed a great deal to that discussion. My kpe:
 

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Winter Trigger and Manual Addendum Insert

This partial s marked winter trigger for sale by a dealer. I think it is original. The most prolific fakes are S marked.
 

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Great post as it ages...


I'll add my latest here, eeu43. Original, but backplate is likely from an ofh trigger.

Jeff
 

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Jeff, my backplate on my tpe is different, more blue dipped, than the rest, which is phosphate. I wouldn't be concerned on yours (nice piece) as it is likely original like that.
 
Winter Triggers -originals and fakes thread

I thought we should start one of these. I just got this one in trade and have my doubts, but want to be sure. Does anyone really know these triggers? This one is eeu43. On the backplate, the "Mod. 98" is actually upside down? The thing I question is the fit. The backplate is very loose. What do you guys think. If anyone wants to do this, we could post photos of known originals and known fakes. I think it's been too long that this subject has not been clear. Here are the photos of the one I got.
 

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more photos....
 

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Gerard,

Yours is definitely original. The quality of construction is the key to determining legitimacy, and some salient features.

The looseness is normal when it is not installed on a rifle. The spring clips ar pushed out by the TG when installed, and the plate fits tighter.

Let's merge this thread with the sticky, farb, and continue detailed discussion over there.

Jeff
 
It may be that your plate is from a different maker, but I suspect that isn't the case. Like Jeff said, your winter trigger is original by the design features. Attached is an original eeu 15 marked version- note that the weld attachment is not in the direct center of the trigger handle, common on these in my experience. The fakes you see are different and have the pin in the middle of the handle, like the eeu44 posted. I'm not sure if it's a hard and fast rule, but thats one way I use to tell them apart as the fakes are pretty close copies. Also note the Mod.98 marking differences- from what I have seen originals should look exactly like yours. Lastly, note the thinner metal used on the handle loops.
 

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Winter Trigger

Here is an odd one... 44 WaA66 ...BILL
 

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Well, that's the thing. In my opinion, there really are few good fakes.

The "s" marked triggers are regarded by some as "fake", but I do not believe that word fits those triggers at all. I believe (for whatever that is worth) that the "s" triggers were produced at a very minimum on wartime tooling, and quite possibly pre-May 1945 as well. They are identical in every regard to all the known wartime triggers in all aspects of manufacturing method and materials.

The "s" code has been attributed to Dynamit A-G Vorn Alfred Nobel, St Lambrecht (Austria), they made ammunition primers, and sheet metal production may not have been a stretch (think Smith Corona and Frigidaire and other wartime manufacturers producing weapons outside thier normal wares due to capability based on existing equipment). But tht is admittedly unlikely.

There has also been speculation about postwar production for existing militaries which continued to field the K98k post WWII.

The faked "ofh" and some "eeu" varieties do not even approach the construction quality of the "s" triggers, though some "eeu" ones come closer than the "ofh" junk.

My opinion only, again, but there it is.

Jeff
 
Here is an odd one... 44 WaA66 ...BILL

That indeed is an odd one, Bill. I have to admit, there are things about it that make me uneasy, like the "k98" hand stamed and the lever and rivet construction.

Any other markings that can't be made out on the photos?

jeff
 
That indeed is an odd one, Bill. I have to admit, there are things about it that make me uneasy, like the "k98" hand stamed and the lever and rivet construction.

Any other markings that can't be made out on the photos?

jeff

I agree with Jeff, that one is questionable just based on some of the construction. How and when did you obtain it?
 
Well, that's the thing. In my opinion, there really are few good fakes.

The "s" marked triggers are regarded by some as "fake", but I do not believe that word fits those triggers at all. I believe (for whatever that is worth) that the "s" triggers were produced at a very minimum on wartime tooling, and quite possibly pre-May 1945 as well. They are identical in every regard to all the known wartime triggers in all aspects of manufacturing method and materials.

The "s" code has been attributed to Dynamit A-G Vorn Alfred Nobel, St Lambrecht (Austria), they made ammunition primers, and sheet metal production may not have been a stretch (think Smith Corona and Frigidaire and other wartime manufacturers producing weapons outside thier normal wares due to capability based on existing equipment). But tht is admittedly unlikely.

There has also been speculation about postwar production for existing militaries which continued to field the K98k post WWII.

The faked "ofh" and some "eeu" varieties do not even approach the construction quality of the "s" triggers, though some "eeu" ones come closer than the "ofh" junk.

My opinion only, again, but there it is.

Jeff

Hi,
My "s" marked winter trigger. Fits and works perfectly on a K98k.

Also a picture of a MP44 gas plug S marked.

Regards,
Antoni
 

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This one could have used some lube:
 

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