Winter Triggers, manual insert, etc.

[Gerard]

more photos....

[ditch68]

Gerard,

Yours is definitely original. The quality of construction is the key to determining legitimacy, and some salient features.

The looseness is normal when it is not installed on a rifle. The spring clips ar pushed out by the TG when installed, and the plate fits tighter.

Let's merge this thread with the sticky, farb, and continue detailed discussion over there.

Jeff

[mrfarb]

It may be that your plate is from a different maker, but I suspect that isn't the case. Like Jeff said, your winter trigger is original by the design features. Attached is an original eeu 15 marked version- note that the weld attachment is not in the direct center of the trigger handle, common on these in my experience. The fakes you see are different and have the pin in the middle of the handle, like the eeu44 posted. I'm not sure if it's a hard and fast rule, but thats one way I use to tell them apart as the fakes are pretty close copies. Also note the Mod.98 marking differences- from what I have seen originals should look exactly like yours. Lastly, note the thinner metal used on the handle loops.

[bill grist]

Here is an odd one... 44 WaA66 ...BILL

[bill grist]

Afew more.....BILL

[ditch68]

Well, that's the thing. In my opinion, there really are few good fakes.

The "s" marked triggers are regarded by some as "fake", but I do not believe that word fits those triggers at all. I believe (for whatever that is worth) that the "s" triggers were produced at a very minimum on wartime tooling, and quite possibly pre-May 1945 as well. They are identical in every regard to all the known wartime triggers in all aspects of manufacturing method and materials.

The "s" code has been attributed to Dynamit A-G Vorn Alfred Nobel, St Lambrecht (Austria), they made ammunition primers, and sheet metal production may not have been a stretch (think Smith Corona and Frigidaire and other wartime manufacturers producing weapons outside thier normal wares due to capability based on existing equipment). But tht is admittedly unlikely.

There has also been speculation about postwar production for existing militaries which continued to field the K98k post WWII.

The faked "ofh" and some "eeu" varieties do not even approach the construction quality of the "s" triggers, though some "eeu" ones come closer than the "ofh" junk.

My opinion only, again, but there it is.

Jeff

[ditch68]

Here is an odd one... 44 WaA66 ...BILL

That indeed is an odd one, Bill. I have to admit, there are things about it that make me uneasy, like the "k98" hand stamed and the lever and rivet construction.

Any other markings that can't be made out on the photos?

jeff

[mrfarb]

That indeed is an odd one, Bill. I have to admit, there are things about it that make me uneasy, like the "k98" hand stamed and the lever and rivet construction.

Any other markings that can't be made out on the photos?

jeff

I agree with Jeff, that one is questionable just based on some of the construction. How and when did you obtain it?

[dot]

Well, that's the thing. In my opinion, there really are few good fakes.

The "s" marked triggers are regarded by some as "fake", but I do not believe that word fits those triggers at all. I believe (for whatever that is worth) that the "s" triggers were produced at a very minimum on wartime tooling, and quite possibly pre-May 1945 as well. They are identical in every regard to all the known wartime triggers in all aspects of manufacturing method and materials.

The "s" code has been attributed to Dynamit A-G Vorn Alfred Nobel, St Lambrecht (Austria), they made ammunition primers, and sheet metal production may not have been a stretch (think Smith Corona and Frigidaire and other wartime manufacturers producing weapons outside thier normal wares due to capability based on existing equipment). But tht is admittedly unlikely.

There has also been speculation about postwar production for existing militaries which continued to field the K98k post WWII.

The faked "ofh" and some "eeu" varieties do not even approach the construction quality of the "s" triggers, though some "eeu" ones come closer than the "ofh" junk.

My opinion only, again, but there it is.

Jeff

Hi,
My "s" marked winter trigger. Fits and works perfectly on a K98k.

Also a picture of a MP44 gas plug S marked.

Regards,
Antoni

[Hambone]

This one could have used some lube: