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    Default ERMA Serial Studies and Technical Data

    Thanks to Gunboards and John for the courtesy.

    And a big note of appreciation to Award and Vaughn. Art who started this data base over on GB and Vaughn who supplied the bulk of the data to get the thread built.
    Thanks for both gentlemen for getting the ball rolling on this. I, Mike and all the mods thank you.

    (Note: Clarified credits to Award and Vaughn)

    We are arranging a data share between both boards, so their thread managers can
    borrow or update from our data threads and visa versa.

    Year/Code, S.N. & suffix, Barrel Code (bc), Right receiver (rr) acceptance stamps; NIM=non-import marked, RC, Matching, Bolt mm, stock mm, sporter, etc.


    1935 S/27.G

    10, bc= , rr= (box type) D 37" x3, rc
    23, bc= D 18165, rr= 3x e/132, rc
    2877, rc
    4198, bc= D 21952-8, rr= 3x e/132, rc
    4269, bc= D 21952, rr= 3x e/132, nearly a match
    4808, bc= , rr= , NIM
    4561, rc
    5629, mitchel mauser
    5649, rc
    6266, bc= , rr= 1x e/132 & 2x e/280, rc


    1936 S/27

    4454, rc
    4933, bc= dsh1154pi, rr= 3x e/280
    7465, bc= D23783, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    7661(or 7881), bc= , rr= 3x e/280, norway conversion & deactivation
    9775, bc= D21693-9, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    16a, rc
    1860a, rc
    2080a, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, rc/vietnam
    5070a, bc= Rue 416/-38, rr= 3x e/280, RC
    8254a, bc= Ru5368-8737, rr= 3x e280,
    5703c, bc= ,rr= 3x e/280, rc
    1532b, NIM
    5139b, rc
    2770c, bc= , rr= rebarreled, ?
    4689e, rc

    1937 S/27

    4860, NIM
    6417, bc= D 225/38 ERMA, rr= 3x e/280, stock mm and ERMA rebarrel, Munich
    7485, bc= 454 39 Ru, rr= 3x e/77, rc, Geco rebarrel
    7545, NIM
    8445, bc= , rr= 3x e/77
    9584, bc= D 688-354 7?3 or D 688-354/?3, rr= 3x e/280, stock mm
    3268a, NIM
    4426a, bc= Ru161/37, rr= 3x e/77
    8116a, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, nim
    8254a, bc= Ru5368-8737, rr= 3x e/280, non-match, located in germany
    2385b, bc= , rr= , bolt mm
    602b, rc
    3119b, NIM
    3419b, bc= D69/-34/57, rr= 3x e/280, NIM, bolt/floorplate/follower mismatch
    932c, bc= D750-71/37, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    1775c, rc
    4999c, Norwegian Capture HAER
    6521c, bc= Ru 30/37, rr= 3x 280, nim, metal matched
    8606c, bc= ?, rr= ?, matching minus rear band
    8338c, rc
    198d, rc
    546d, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, europe + possible original sniper
    1915d, rc
    3811d, bc= RU 5360-9737 , rr= 3x e/280, restored w/ norwegian stock otherwise matching
    4479d, NIM
    7641d, bc= RU16/37, rr= 3x e/280
    1514e, bc= Ru 61 /5/, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    7687e, rc
    8554e, rc
    624f, bc= Ru 89 /37, rr= ?, stock sportered otherwise matching
    886f, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, rc
    1231f, rr= 3x e/280, sportered
    3486f, bc= , rr= , french mod.
    6346f, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, norway conversion, deactivated
    6348f, RI
    4260g, IRGC
    7159h, old import
    3575i, NIM
    4441i, rc
    5362i, bc= Ru1.. .37(dots are unreadable), rr= 3x e/77, non-match, located in germany
    6329i, bc= , rr= 3x e/77, NIM
    1265k, bc= 522 3(partial), rr=(gothic Mod. 98), sporter/reblued
    1921k, rc
    3853k, bc= Ru k99/37, rr= 3x e/77
    5068m, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, NIM

    Mod note: the 'y' would appear to actually be a 'g' so be cautioned about overestimating the
    totals for this year. I would also question that 't' example and would not enter that into
    estimated totals.

    886t, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, rc
    7119y, bc= , rr= e/77 & next 2 unreadable(script mod. 98), norway conversion, deactivated, http://www.raskantik.com/varergr/dek.../k179/k179.htm to verify suffix
    9305y, bc= ,rr= 3x e,280, rc *note photo requested of s.n. & suffix to verify this high of a suffix


    1938 S/27

    2543(suffix ?), rc
    7671, bc= , rr= e/77 & unknown due to norway deactivation(script Mod. 98), caliber converted to 7.62
    8261(suffix ?), bc= rebarreled by norway, rr= 3x e/77, norwegian capture
    9483, Mitchel Mauser
    9397, bc= Ru 162/37, rr= 3x e/77, sportered
    9483, bc= , rr= 3x e/77, mitchell mauser
    154a, bc= Ru 153/37, rr= 3x e/77
    1952a, bc= , rr= 3x e/77
    1385a, iraqi marked
    1774a, bc= Ru 154/37, rr= 3x e/77, rc
    3855a, bc= , rr= 3x e/77, apparent match
    4426a, bc= , rr= 3x e/77, bolt mm
    6352a, bc= , rr= 3x e/77, rc
    8410a, bc= (replaced barrel), rr= 3x e/77
    7560a, bc= D 354/37, rr= 3x e/77, matching, located in germany
    9819a, bc= , rr= e/77 & unknown due to norway deactivation, script Mod. 98
    9997a, bc= coming soon, rr= 3x e/77, NIM, bolt and stock metal missing
    7884b, ?
    9691b, rc
    394c, rc
    1797c, rc
    7329c, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, bolt mm
    7836c, NIM
    7923c, NIM
    8523c, bc= 41 Si 4, rr= 3x e/77, norway capture, (rebarrel e/135 marked)
    9780c, bc=, rr= 3x e/77, rc, (rebarrel, D 42 D317413 P74 marked)
    9837c, ?
    7233d, rc
    7671d, bc= , rr= 3x e/77, rc
    8137d, rc
    8506d, bc= , rr= 3x e/77, rc
    3501e, rc
    5133e, bc= , rr= 3x e/77, rc, nazi replaced barrel
    6284e, bc= D 120/38, rr= 3x e/77
    8261 e, rr= 3x e/77, norwegian capture Haer
    9085e, bc= , rr= 3x e/77, mismatch
    719f, NIM
    857f, ?
    1024f, bc= Ru 55/38, rr= 3x e/77, rc



    1938 27

    4419, bc= D 257/38, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    6679f, rc
    8758f, bc= RU 94/38, rr= 3x e/77, rc
    459g, bc= RU 55/38, rr= 3x e/77, rc
    81h, bc= Ru 109/38, 3x e/77, matching except sling band and band spring, NIM & eagle L on stock
    4890h , bc= , rr= , matching w/sanded stock
    3440h, rc
    3691h, bc= , rr= 3x e/77, rc
    9639h, bc= D 245/38, rr= 3x e/77, NIM
    439i, bc= , rr= e/77 e/77 and unknown, norway conversion & deactivation
    1798i, bc= , rr= , rc barreled action
    2470i,
    5732k, rc
    7426k, bc= Ru233/38, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    7552k, rc
    8573k, NIM
    598l(lower case L), bc= D 320/38, rr= 3x e/280, nim, bolt mm
    1798l, rc
    3219l, NIM
    3282l, bc= , rr= , norwegian conversion & deactivation
    4312l, bc= RU265/38, rr= 3x e/280, import marked
    4838l bc= RU 331/38, rr= 3x e/280
    4844l, mitchel mauser
    6667l, bc= Ru 250/38, rr= 3x e/280, rc

    1939 27

    2, bc= RU 299/38, rr= no acceptance, sporter w/erma conversion, bringback
    127, NIM
    952, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, total mm,
    1578, bc= 37Kp88, rr= 3x e/280, Note: bsw replacement barrel
    2471, bc= D 330/38, rr= 3x e/280
    4022, IC
    4204, bc= D 349/38, rr=3x e/280
    862a, rc
    2396a, bc= , rr= 3x e/280 & deactivated, norway converted 7.62
    9458a, bc= D 374/38, rr= 3x e/280, located in germany
    9654a, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, rc
    3613b, rc
    3894b, rc
    7122b, bc= Ru 64/39, rr= 3x e/280, band spring mm
    1248c, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, nim matching
    4858c, bc= 39Ru85, rr= 3x e/280, rc, rebarreled
    4956c, bc= 39RU85, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    9075c, NIM
    1887d, bc= RU 67/39, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    6154d, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, rc
    3431f, romanian import
    4668h, bc= Ru 270/39, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    6930h, bc= Ru 106/39, rr= 3x e/280, matching vet bringback
    9807h, european import
    3831i, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, norway conversion & deactivated
    4678i, NIM
    6062i, rc
    7518i, bc= 371 39 D, rr= 3x e/280, bolt mm, nim
    8370i, bc= 372 39 D, rr= 3x e/280, vet bb mm
    9445i, bc= Geco barrel 489, rr= 3x e/280, mm
    464k, old import marked
    2992k, bc= RU 12/39, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    3204k, bc= RU 116/39, rr= 3x e/280, sporterized
    3705k, east german
    7779k, bc= 383 39 D, rr= 3x e/280, matching nim
    2789l(lower case L), bc= 466 39 D, rr= 3x e/280
    4354l(lower case L), rc



    1940 27

    2045, bc= 467 3, rr= 3x e/280, nim, stock and bolt mm
    3189, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, sporter
    5808, bc= 514 39D, rr= 3x e/280, bolt mm
    8513, rc
    9081, NIM
    626a, NIM
    3671a, NIM
    3740a, bc= 384-39-Ru, rr= 3x e/280, capture rifle
    5182a, bc= 1039 R, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    7721c, NIM
    9653c, rc
    1691d, rc
    3422d,
    5343d, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, mismatch
    7384d, NIM
    9130d or 9180d, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, norway conversion & deactivated
    2565e, bc=8240Do , rr= 3x e/280
    2758e, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, matching
    8729e, norwegian capture
    9477e, bc= , rr= 1x e/359 & 2x e/280, rc
    9622e, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, norway conversion & deactivated
    1157f, NIM
    5185f, bc= cxm 12 41, rr= 3x e/280, stock mm
    1869g, bc= 47 40Ru, rr= 3x e/280, nim, mm cocking piece
    4304l(lower case L), NIM


    1940 AX

    1242, bc= 640Ru, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    8116, european import
    8696, bc= 38140R ?, rr= 1x e/359 & 2x e/280
    9894c(possible a suffix), bc= , rr= 3x e/280, norwegian conversion & deactivated
    1322f, bc= , rr= 1x e/359 2x e/280, norwegian conversion & deactivated
    2444f, NIM
    8888f, rc
    1869g, NIM
    4695g, rc
    479h, NIM
    1844h, rc
    2261h, NIM
    3980h, rc
    6986h, rc
    225i, NIM
    4563i, bc= 303 39Ru, rr= 3x e/280, NIM, Matching
    5210i, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, rc
    9561i, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, reblued
    2477k, bc= 638 39 D, rr= 3x e/280, bolt mm
    2338k, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, rc
    8348k, bc= 187 40 RU, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    6638i, rc
    44k, rc
    9851k, rc
    2716l (lower case L), rc
    3843l (lower case L), NIM
    6095l (lower case L), rc
    6240l, bc= 940Ro, rr= e/280x3, bolt mm
    347m, bc= 302 39 Ru, rr= 3x e/280, nim matched
    722m, rc
    1600m, bc= cxm 22 41, rr= 3x e/280, nickle plated sporter (yes, correct barrel code)
    2232m, rc
    6299m, bc= , rr= 3x e/280
    9808m, romanian import
    143n, european import
    1822n, NIM


    1941 AX

    13, NIM
    253, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, rc
    2151, rc
    2842, NIM
    3831, bc= 374 40 * D, rr= 3x e/280
    6028, NIM
    6440, european import
    7914, european import
    680a, NIM
    1530a, rc
    1626a, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, rc
    2331a, bc= 390 40 Ru, rr= 3x e/280, NIM Bolt mm
    3213a, bc= 381 40 Ru, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    5798a, bc= A40R, rr= 3x e/280, navy arms import marked, not matching
    6768a, rc
    2922b, bc= 841RU, rr= 3x e/280, matching barreled action
    5592b, bc= , rr= , import marked and defaced swazis
    2870c, european import
    3355c, ?
    5354c, rc
    7084c, bc= 11 41 RU, rr= 1x e/359 & 2x e/280, NIM, Matching
    9746c, rc
    1989d, rc
    4265d, NIM
    6311d, NIM
    7585d, NIM
    7666d, rc
    4817e, NIM
    7229e, rc
    9355e, bc= 3941Ru, rr= e280x3, mm
    5736f, bc= 941Ru***, rr= 3x e/280, Danish vet pickup, original & matching, deactivated, location in germany
    6193f, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, norway conversion & deactivated
    6475f, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, norway conversion & deactivated
    9517f, bc= ,rr= 3x e/280, rc
    1626g, bc= ?? 790 ?? , rr= 3x e/280, rc
    2159g, rc
    3404g, bc= Ru?, rr= 3x e/280, rc
    4231g, rc
    4497g, rc zf41
    7772g, rc
    4500g, european import
    8065g, rc
    2974h, bc= ?, rr= 3x e/280
    3128h, NIM
    3174h, NIM
    4665h, bc= 5941Ru, rr= 1x e/359 2x e/280, armorers bolt m/m, nim, butt plate mm
    9962h, rc
    9695h, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, rebarrel
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    Heres some more data:

    S/27 1937 9035, bc= D648-332/36, rr= ?

    S/27 1937 3284a, bc= Ru, rr= 3x e/280

    S/27 1937 6043c, bc= ?, rr= 3x e/280

    S/27 1937 1258f, bc= Ru 89/37 3x e/280, rr= 3x e/280

    S/27 1937 3799h, bc= D240/37 e/280 e/77 e/77 rr= 3x e/77, RC

    27 1939 127, bc= Ru 231/38, rr= 3x e/280

    27 1940 6610b, bc= , rr= 3x e/280, Matching

    27 1940 7384d, bc= 142 40D 3x e/280 rr= 3x e/280, NIM, stock & band MM, Former sporter

    27 1940 4304l (lower case L), bc= 40Ru 3x e/280, rr= 3x e/280, NIM, Matching

    ax 1940 1822n, bc = 8 41Ru 3x e/280, rr= 3x e/280, Matching
    Last edited by THunter; 03-19-2011 at 08:36 PM.

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    Default Please see lead in.

    Added credit where credit was due - thanks Vaughn.
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    Red face 27/1939

    I when to a estate sale this morning to see what they listed as a old military bolt action rifle. It turned out to be a 27/1939. It is serial no. 4440/k, it looks to be all matching vet bringback. The only thing I'm not sure about is the stock. It has a heavy cover of some kind of finish and I don't see any number on the outside of the stock. The stock is laminated with a matching numbered flat buttplate. I am not sure what the wood finish is. They got some on the metal and I tried to clean it with acetone. It didn't seem to do much to it. It looks like it hasn't been taken apart for a very long time. The bore cleaned up real nice, I think it was covered with grease. Every metal part I see has either the full serial number or 40 on it. I am sure the stock will match also. The RR is e/280x3, the bolt parts are e/280, as are all the other metal parts and screws. Should this stock be numbered on the outside? I'm not sure if I want to clean it any more.

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    Red face 27/1939

    This week the action was removed from the stock on 271939 4440/k. The stock was duffle cut, sanded lightly and had some kind of 40s or 50s era clear coat that had yellowed a lot. You could see how much because they had got a lot of it on the metal. I tried acetone on it and didn't get much of it off. I will probably just leave it. You can see E/H over two e/280s on the right side. I don't see any numbers on the outside of the stock. They might show up if the yellowed finish was removed. However the stock is well marked inside it is marked 4440 BU 3 25 39. The barrel code is RU 104/39 e/280x3. I hope this helps.

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    Default 27 1940

    Just looking through the Erma serial thread and would like to add mine. It's a 27 1940 stock mm, have the original but it's been badly sporterized. Serial 512n, 280x3 on rec. cupped bp. Correct me if wrong but I don't see anything higher than the L block in the list.

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    1935 S/27.G 3894 bc=Do 21952, rr= 1x e/280 & 2x e/132, rc

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    Year/Code, S.N. & suffix, Barrel Code (bc), Right receiver (rr) acceptance stamps; NIM=non-import marked, RC, Matching, Bolt mm, stock mm, sporter, etc.


    1938 / 27. S.n. 3371 H (bc) RU 249/38 (rr) 3x e/77 nim, bolt mm, no stock.

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    Default S27 1937

    Sold to new owner
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    Default Erma ax41

    AX41 5736 Danish pick up now in uk
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