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    Thanks Paul for the always outstanding reply and info...I do really appreciate it.

    At least it wasn't chopped up, and while its not straight up German, I like the history behind it, in addition to the Maker/Year (I am a code collector, and would always grab a code I don't have even if it has issues if the price is reasonable, even if its just a placeholder...I figure I can always upgrade).

    The thing I find most intriguing is the markings under the butt....being the same on both butt and buttplate, the XVIII and three punches, there has to be a reason, and just to match up the two, it seems a bit overkill....any thoughts on that? Or just a mystery that can't be answered?

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    I see no association to a German practice, so I assume its SCW or after. As far as I know, there is little to no research done on these and even if that was worthwhile, the challenges are significant. Almost all such rifles have been through Sam Cummings hack shop and differentiating Spanish rework from Sam's business model would be near impossible. Your rifle is actually about as good as these get... most are chopped up junk.

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    Thanks....boy, wouldn't it be nice to be able to buy them up back then...

    The owner of Jackson's Armory here in Dallas dove up to the warehouse back in the 60's, and IIRC was buying his choice of 98k's from the piles for $25 each...he bought $1000 worth, bought them back here, sold them for nice profit, and went back and bought more....that's how he got started in the gun business. You want to see some amazing guns, stop into the store sometime....oh my god, if I hit the lottery, I am dropping a lot of money there!

    Imagine all the incredible rifles that were stacked up in those warehouses, that ended up bubba'd...by the importer or the buyers....

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    Here's some kind of similar number under the buttplate of a 07 Amberg that is a straight Imperial German rework. The stock is force matched to the action, and is of the early type, i.e., no grips or bolt take down disc.

    No clue what it means.
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    Default Lowe spare us your political speculation

    If FDR had been 'sympathetic' to the communists probably he would have allowed the export of arms to the Republican forces. historically it can be argued that FDR saved the USA from going fascist in the darkest times of the depression. A saint no, but a skilled, patriotic politician who should under no circumstance have run for a 4th term.
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    FDR campaigned in 1932 fairly conservatively and that lasted until shortly after the inauguration... he was a liar from his first public held office until he died, he was a Germanophobe of the first order and he governed as a fascist, economically little different than Mussolini and many of his early supporters bailed on him because of his fascistic policies (most of his crackpot programs were given titles very reminiscent of fascists and national socialists, differing only in an populist American lingo). John T Flynn, an early supporter, made a living condemning his fascistic policies and a actually wrote a good piece detailing the characteristics of fascism and the relationship to FDR.

    Most people, especially on the left, can't spell fascism needless to say define it, however FDR's legacy is one of fascistic policies and he more than any other man created the "Great Depression", - the Great Depression lingered as long as it did "because" of his policies rather than in spite of them...

    BTW, arms sales after WWI were largely condemned throughout the west, the League mad a big deal over the policy and Congress passed the legislation, FDR did not stop the export, it was against US law and that law lasted until WWII, as I recall it was lifted (by Congress) before France fell and Britain and France made huge orders at that time (much ordered by France never made it). Big news in the period literature, business and political journals...

    Quote Originally Posted by gil View Post
    If FDR had been 'sympathetic' to the communists probably he would have allowed the export of arms to the Republican forces. historically it can be argued that FDR saved the USA from going fascist in the darkest times of the depression. A saint no, but a skilled, patriotic politician who should under no circumstance have run for a 4th term.
    gil

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