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G41 Soldbuch entry?

mrfarb

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Im assuming this is a G41 Soldbuch entry, issued in 44 based on other entries. Guy was in Pionier Batt. 7.

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Cool, and it looks like he was issued three of them over time....Wonder if they were only issued when the unit was in combat situations, and then turned in until the next time....
 
I think the first 2 are K98k rifles. When you moved to a different unit you were issued a new weapon, so I think this was his rifle issued when he transferred to the 3./Pi Btl 7. The more I look at it I think this was issued in late 43, based on other entries. Sometimes it's hard to tell when they don't have dates like this.
 
Great entry. Always cool to see a rarer rifle(albeit unknown) attached to someone. I wonder what he thought of it? It Makes sense I he was a Pioneer as well, kind of a second line by a certain point.
 
I think the first 2 are K98k rifles. When you moved to a different unit you were issued a new weapon, so I think this was his rifle issued when he transferred to the 3./Pi Btl 7. The more I look at it I think this was issued in late 43, based on other entries. Sometimes it's hard to tell when they don't have dates like this.

I agree with you, the first rifles are certainly K98k's and the soldier got issued the G41 when he got transferred to the Pionierbataillon, note he didn't got a bayonet in his new unit. The last K98k he got issued at July 20, 1943.
 
Great entry. Always cool to see a rarer rifle(albeit unknown) attached to someone. I wonder what he thought of it? It Makes sense I he was a Pioneer as well, kind of a second line by a certain point.

"Pioniere", aren't exactly the same as "Engineers" in the allied armies.
In the German army engineer units are organised differently then in the allied armies, Pioniere are combat troops too, they are actually specialist infantry; the equivalent of allied engineers are in the German army in all kinds of construction units (Bau Btl's).
For example, the troops that took fort Eben-Emael in May 1940 were Pioniere, a combat team of Pioniere of the Fallschirmjäger and specialist demolition teams from Pi51.
 
I'll post the full thing in the document section, we'll see how good my understanding of this soldier is.


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"Pioniere", aren't exactly the same as "Engineers" in the allied armies.
In the German army engineer units are organised differently then in the allied armies, Pioniere are combat troops too, they are actually specialist infantry; the equivalent of allied engineers are in the German army in all kinds of construction units (Bau Btl's).
For example, the troops that took fort Eben-Emael in May 1940 were Pioniere, a combat team of Pioniere of the Fallschirmjäger and specialist demolition teams from Pi51.

Ahh ok. Well seeing as it's in 43 maybe this was a special weapon?
 
Engineers are combat soldiers in most any army I know of. That is why the US Army calls them combat engineers. They are trained infantry before they get additional training. They are one of the six essential specialties in a Special Forces A team/Operational Detachment. Seabees are likewise and to suggest them, and the Army engineers, to be inferior to German WW2 engineers is insulting, especially with the Forth of July upon us. I can not see the German version of such specialists as superior, especially in light of they were obviously defeated by their US counterparts. Therefore, I respectfully uphold the honor and value of the US Soldiers and Engineers, German forum or not.
 
Engineers are combat soldiers in most any army I know of. That is why the US Army calls them combat engineers. They are trained infantry before they get additional training. They are one of the six essential specialties in a Special Forces A team/Operational Detachment. Seabees are likewise and to suggest them, and the Army engineers, to be inferior to German WW2 engineers is insulting, especially with the Forth of July upon us. I can not see the German version of such specialists as superior, especially in light of they were obviously defeated by their US counterparts. Therefore, I respectfully uphold the honor and value of the US Soldiers and Engineers, German forum or not.


Mike, in the German army you could distinguish combat soldiers from soldiers that served behind the line by the way of the different combat proficiency badges, German soldiers that served in a Pi Btl usually had earned an Algemeine Sturmabzeichen.
Also the amount of EK's awarded to Pioniere is exactly the same as to combat infantry soldiers, perhaps even higher.
In a Bau Btl you don't tend to see soldiers with Sturmabzeichens or EK's, more KvK's which shows they had a role behind the frontline.


This is a WW2 focused discusion forum, difference in organisation of army units during WW2 it has nothing to do with national pride or bravery of soldiers in battle.
And btw it was CanadianAR that wrote "he was a Pioneer as well, kind of a second line by a certain point."
I just wanted to explain the difference between the Royal Engineers and an average Pi Btl of a German WW2 Infantry Division; if you are still offended by this it just tells me you are easily offended.
 
Mike, in the German army you could distinguish combat soldiers from soldiers that served behind the line by the way of the different combat proficiency badges, German soldiers that served in a Pi Btl usually had earned an Algemeine Sturmabzeichen.
Also the amount of EK's awarded to Pioniere is exactly the same as to combat infantry soldiers, perhaps even higher.
In a Bau Btl you don't tend to see soldiers with Sturmabzeichens or EK's, more KvK's which shows they had a role behind the frontline.


This is a WW2 focused discusion forum, difference in organisation of army units during WW2 it has nothing to do with national pride or bravery of soldiers in battle.
And btw it was CanadianAR that wrote "he was a Pioneer as well, kind of a second line by a certain point."
I just wanted to explain the difference between the Royal Engineers and an average Pi Btl of a German WW2 Infantry Division; if you are still offended by this it just tells me you are easily offended.

Yes, my mistake. I do not know much about this area. in my Op I actually meant the weapon was kind of second tier/line weapon, but did no know Pionier were front line troops.
 
Yes, my mistake. I do not know much about this area. in my Op I actually meant the weapon was kind of second tier/line weapon, but did no know Pionier were front line troops.


No problem!!!
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You are not the first one to make that mistake.
In the period of German victories ('39-'41) Pioniere were often at the front of the advance, they were used for river crossings under fire for example, hence a high average number of bravery awards for Pioniere in a German infantry division.
 
Mike, in the German army you could distinguish combat soldiers from soldiers that served behind the line by the way of the different combat proficiency badges, German soldiers that served in a Pi Btl usually had earned an Algemeine Sturmabzeichen.
Also the amount of EK's awarded to Pioniere is exactly the same as to combat infantry soldiers, perhaps even higher.
In a Bau Btl you don't tend to see soldiers with Sturmabzeichens or EK's, more KvK's which shows they had a role behind the frontline.


This is a WW2 focused discusion forum, difference in organisation of army units during WW2 it has nothing to do with national pride or bravery of soldiers in battle.
And btw it was CanadianAR that wrote "he was a Pioneer as well, kind of a second line by a certain point."
I just wanted to explain the difference between the Royal Engineers and an average Pi Btl of a German WW2 Infantry Division; if you are still offended by this it just tells me you are easily offended.

My apology. Post sounded a bit "superior". Soldiers from all sides served with honor and specialists varied greatly in skill and roles filled. Thanks for adding your knowledge regardless.
 

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