73hemicuda
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Are there any jigs available for the receivers?
I dont take it as a smart a$$ comment. Guess I was just stating was that more has been done to this build to make it much harder to convert than the PTR44s. I can safely say that this receiver was destroyed and torched before it was built. It was made from the scraps of 3 receivers. Not only is the slot welded up, the interior of the receiver has a welded rail along the entire auto trip side so only the semi bolt and carrier can fit. To remove it would be to destroy the receiver. There are thousands of legal semi rewelds of different guns that have passed BATF standards (BRENs come to mind) but there are also many others that are done legally without being submitted to ATF tech branch using the standards set by the ATF. There has never been an official submitted mp44 semi as far as i know, but if you look at what got ATF approval with the PTR44, it at least set a standard for what they consider a semi-auto MP44 since the parts can be interchangeable. I have done much more to this build to make sure it could no never be readily convertible.
True your build re the PTR's. I found the first PTR I handled quite interesting regarding how little they had changed to make it a legal semi, much less getting it imported into the US.
I hope any of us with a rebuild gun would be treated so well if screwed with by some overzealous feds.
Pete
...BTW - my MP44's were spot checked by BATF - when a pyrotechnic permit is pulled in LA county, you may get a spot check, as the permit goes through the city. They are there for the Pyrotechnic technician primarily, checking his one card, but they will also check the firearms and firearms permits (CA requires both Federal License and CA DOJ permits to wrangle firearms) are in order, as was the case with us - all my semi AW's on site were checked and lowers examined - no smiling, no small talk. Obviously not the BATF Tech branch - but, worth a mention,
..a sturmgewehr is this thing that Hitler did that’s like an AK but older, no shite had an “expert” tell me that..
I don't wholly disagree with this. I've always thought old Mikhail heavily borrowed (stole) the concept of such a piece if not the strict execution. A novice probably couldn't tell one from the other at 20 feet.
some else on another post indicated Legacy had this semi auto
take a gander and feel free to comment
https://www.legacy-collectibles.com...rman/ww2-german-mp44-semi-auto-parts-kit.html
Hi Pete,
Agreed, a very smart question -
Obviously all have endeavored to the N'th degree to stay within the BATf's guidelines for legally manufacturing a non-sporting rifle "for personal use."
(Including, but obviously not limited to confirming diligently to USC 922r and using existing clone firearms as a basis for the denial elements.)
However...
...My biggest concern (and IMO the BATF's) with non-sporting firearms comes with the selling part of the equation - in my case I will not sell them as an operable firearm, the MP44's will be blow torch cut for the next owner to do as he wishes (the dollar amount difference is negligible anyway.)
BTW - my MP44's were spot checked by BATF - when a pyrotechnic permit is pulled in LA county, you may get a spot check, as the permit goes through the city. They are there for the Pyrotechnic technician primarily, checking his one card, but they will also check the firearms and firearms permits (CA requires both Federal License and CA DOJ permits to wrangle firearms) are in order, as was the case with us - all my semi AW's on site were checked and lowers examined - no smiling, no small talk.
Obviously not the BATF Tech branch - but, worth a mention,
some else on another post indicated Legacy had this semi auto
take a gander and feel free to comment
https://www.legacy-collectibles.com...rman/ww2-german-mp44-semi-auto-parts-kit.html
And Recon is selling on gunbroker right now a semi MP44 built "using the pattern of the PTR44" I honestly think this is all good news. If they feel comfortable selling these than I have to believe we have a precedent for our personal builds. Even at the range Ive seen PTR44s and those .22 StGs pretty frequently. People are used to seeing this pattern of rifle and it doesn't draw the range Nazi attention it might have years ago.
If you have a welded up or sealed full auto slot on the back of the receiver, a full auto lower can not fit, it will not fit. the atf cant make one fit, unless you remove the full auto trip on the lower aka a semi lower.
I wonder whether they fall under 922 regulations can anyone answer that
And theres this:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/734108837
A PTR44 using a real MP44 lower (with sears removed) and an original bolt and carrier. Can't see the Auto-trip side of the carrier but the safety sear trip is still there. I have no problem with this set-up but its obvious it doesn't take a lot to get a real MP44 lower on a PTR44.
I suppose the question really is...
Can you do it because the ATF hasn’t said you can’t?
Or
Can you not do it because the ATF hasn’t said you can?
What ever do not send them a request letter, I have seen so many projects get rejected. because someone just had to have a letter and ended up screwing the rest. this has happen time after time
When well enough was good enough, let them concentrate on bump stocks.
I believe this thread has demonstrated that if you follow logic and common sense, you are good to go
its not like there is aft agent at every range or website ( but they want you to think they are)
when was the last time or anytime you heard of someone getting arrested for not complying with 922 regulations???