Marking on bnz 43
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heavy_mech
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Three months in a row!! 
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread...s-contract-K98s&highlight=Gusen+receiver+mark
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread...s-contract-K98s&highlight=Gusen+receiver+mark
Yes, there is a fascination with the "Circle V7" marking when discovered by newer collectors. Most likely because they don't know an oversize bnz43 rifle is SS contract, and are looking for swasticas and/or waffenamt inspections, only to find that specific non-Nazi looking marking. And, with the prevalence of SS contract rifles a lot of unknowing people find the V7 marking.
To say again, nobody knows what the Circle V7 stands for, but it's clearly an in-house inspection marking from Steyr in the Gusen manufacturing complex. Just from observations, it seems clear the the receivers made at Gusen were total crap, and many were defective. So, some type of inspection/repair procedure was put in place, and those V7 markings are the outward manifestation of that inspection procedure. Basically, I think it's a non-waffenamt team inspection stamp. You can find them in several different places on receivers.
To say again, nobody knows what the Circle V7 stands for, but it's clearly an in-house inspection marking from Steyr in the Gusen manufacturing complex. Just from observations, it seems clear the the receivers made at Gusen were total crap, and many were defective. So, some type of inspection/repair procedure was put in place, and those V7 markings are the outward manifestation of that inspection procedure. Basically, I think it's a non-waffenamt team inspection stamp. You can find them in several different places on receivers.
heavy_mech
RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
That's shocking huh? Late to start up, slow to ramp up. I can imagine 'Schindlers List' only worse perhaps?
This is the obvious manifestation of the Army's declaration (objection to SDP-Gusen) that rifles were to be made outside of army inspection. The German Army objected to this programs conception based upon a divergence of resources and waste of capital (Army provided capital); these rifles are little more than commercial production, totally unfit for military deployment, the quality of the rifles reflect not only the environment of their manufacture (ghastly brutal and lethal working conditions), but also the nature of their customer, - non-military employment, KL or police service, perhaps some paramilitary anti-partisan work the Army wouldn't arm...
The "concentration camp rifles" are garbage, not only because they were made under barbaric conditions, devoid of any humanity, but because they truly represent the national socialist state, - they actually reflect it in every meaningful way, the rifles are slipshodly made, crude and vulgar, void of any craftsmanship and poorly conceived, an accident of historical coincidence. Just as Hitler's rise to power would be too far fetched a plot for a movie had it not actually occurred, these rifles are an absurdity.
As for the V/7, it is surely a control mark or more accurately a correction mark, its location varies because it is used to identify an out of specification in that location. The bridge is common, so too is the RR and bottom flat of the receiver. I think it is obvious that this marking serves the same purpose as the C/RC on Imperial rifles, or asterisk on army production, a correctable flaw or acceptance of a out of tolerance measurement. Seems to be limited to the receiver, the only critical component SDP-Gusen made, - the barrels, the other critical part (hard to make), were made outside of Gusen, at least until these SS contracts ended in late 1944.
The "concentration camp rifles" are garbage, not only because they were made under barbaric conditions, devoid of any humanity, but because they truly represent the national socialist state, - they actually reflect it in every meaningful way, the rifles are slipshodly made, crude and vulgar, void of any craftsmanship and poorly conceived, an accident of historical coincidence. Just as Hitler's rise to power would be too far fetched a plot for a movie had it not actually occurred, these rifles are an absurdity.
As for the V/7, it is surely a control mark or more accurately a correction mark, its location varies because it is used to identify an out of specification in that location. The bridge is common, so too is the RR and bottom flat of the receiver. I think it is obvious that this marking serves the same purpose as the C/RC on Imperial rifles, or asterisk on army production, a correctable flaw or acceptance of a out of tolerance measurement. Seems to be limited to the receiver, the only critical component SDP-Gusen made, - the barrels, the other critical part (hard to make), were made outside of Gusen, at least until these SS contracts ended in late 1944.
Three months in a row!!
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread...s-contract-K98s&highlight=Gusen+receiver+mark
They say there are no stupid question, only stupid answers ............ BUT ........... in this case I don't know for sure .............. maybe there will be a fourth time within short time
You are right about most things, even so that I have been collecting for almost 30 years, I never dug so deep down in the details,
but with all the knowledge around here on the sides and in the holy bible, it have become more interesting to dig down in the details for me.
Have been reading the last few hours, and the more I read, the more interesting it become, and more question will follow.
Regards
Yes, I didn’t mean to imply it in a negative sense. Curiosity is what brings out the truth, and attention to details such as this. If anything it shows you are a good student asking questions!!! I still ask questions like this, and asked this very question myself years ago I’m sure.
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Production date?
Thanks for all the input, nice to have the info about the marking
Now I am curious about when it was produced, I added photos of the barrel code.
The two bands is unnumbered and also the spring for them, the recoil lug, butt plate, bayonet mount, bolt stop, triggerguard are unnumbered as well.
If I understand correct, the rifle is produced after late February, according the barrel code, am I totally wrong with it?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks for all the input, nice to have the info about the marking
Now I am curious about when it was produced, I added photos of the barrel code.
The two bands is unnumbered and also the spring for them, the recoil lug, butt plate, bayonet mount, bolt stop, triggerguard are unnumbered as well.
If I understand correct, the rifle is produced after late February, according the barrel code, am I totally wrong with it?
Thanks in advance.
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I think i found a 7V on my e/280 bolt handle but without the circle
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