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    Default HZa Ingolstadt M41 Carcano

    Finally found a nice HZa M41 Carcano. Not sure why, but the HZa marked M41s are incredibly difficult to locate. Maybe the SS took all of them for the Polizei regiments.

    1943 Terni from the AV block, so still fairly early in the year. The large round dent in the buttstock is the acceptance roundel. Sometime in early 1943, Terni changed out the large acceptance roundel for this smaller one. I have no idea what the small roundel actually looks like, since every single one I have seen looks like this.

    You can see a nice example of the larger roundel on my AO block.

    Stock is duffle cut with a few dings, but otherwise in super nice shape. Ingolstadt acceptance is the usual HZaJt3.
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    Nice rifle and thanks for posting it. I learned something new today and will be keeping my eyes open for one.

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    Very cool rifle. Love the stock, has a great look to it. German captured rifles are super cool, especially when marked like this.

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    Very impressive! Such a cool find!

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    Very cool M.41 Ryan. Isn't that block near or in the grooved front sight range?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambone View Post
    Very cool M.41 Ryan. Isn't that block near or in the grooved front sight range?
    Slotted sight based start showing up in the next letter block, AW, through the end of production in the BH block.

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    Wow is that in nice condition! I always examine any Carcano's I find at gunshows for signs of German use but nothing so far. I doubt we have many up here.

    Nice find Ryan. Congrats!

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    yes the wood and metal are in nice condition and the duffle cut gives provenience

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    The front sight base looks grooved? These are cool rifles and there are more of them out there with German markings than many would think. People don't expect to find these markings so I think they frequently do not look. Carcanos are a well kept secret. They were slammed for being cheap and dangerous in a gun rag, probably in the 1960's, and the undeserved reputation stuck. That and the fact that those who murdered JFK used a Carcano as the supposed murder weapon. It does not help that half the old school gun shops we frequent have had the same 2-3 sanded to death and mutilated Carcanos sitting in the rack for the last 35 years at the same price. In original configuration, Carcanos are well made and interesting. Very nice example, Ryan! It would be hard to upgrade, even without the German markings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pisgah View Post
    The front sight base looks grooved? These are cool rifles and there are more of them out there with German markings than many would think. People don't expect to find these markings so I think they frequently do not look. Carcanos are a well kept secret. They were slammed for being cheap and dangerous in a gun rag, probably in the 1960's, and the undeserved reputation stuck. That and the fact that those who murdered JFK used a Carcano as the supposed murder weapon. It does not help that half the old school gun shops we frequent have had the same 2-3 sanded to death and mutilated Carcanos sitting in the rack for the last 35 years at the same price. In original configuration, Carcanos are well made and interesting. Very nice example, Ryan! It would be hard to upgrade, even without the German markings.
    No, sadly not grooved. First thing I checked when it arrived. I wouldn't be surprised if one day an AV block is found with the grooves.

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