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    Quote Originally Posted by dingo View Post
    Hi, i will check with my partner once more if we gonna bring inn receiver flats. I need to check the laws on importing them. I have ordered trunions, and they will be on the marked this sommer. D
    Well count me in for a flat and a trunnion. I don't care to build a rifle but I want them anyways.
    Some P38 "experts" are yo-yo's who, for some reason lost on me, can't or won't accept the truth when it's staring them in the face.

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    I'm in. I would love to buy a flat and trunion. Just tell me when and how much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sen24 View Post
    HMG is truly a missed opportunity. Itís unbelievable to me that this product still hasnít hit the market and that they took so many peoples hard earn money without having a working firearm. That and how ugly this ďtakeĒ on the sturmgewehr is. The fact that so many people were interested in this project shows the desire of many gun owners to have a semi sturmgewehr. Itís just a shame that this is what they are getting.. if they ever get it.
    I've commented before and still believe making that rifle to be able (be able so far???) to shoot multiple calibers was a mistake. Betcha if it was only in Kurz it would have been done, tested and available long before now. Could have copied an original Sturmgewehr, right?
    Look at that beautiful stamping. With that ability they could likely make decent MP44 mags too.
    Not to beat on them but if wanting to shoot 7.62X39, get a AK. 5.56 Or 300 BO, get a AR.
    Too cheap to shoot Kurz? Go fish!
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    I 100% agree Pete.
    Some P38 "experts" are yo-yo's who, for some reason lost on me, can't or won't accept the truth when it's staring them in the face.

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    Seriously though, that flat is really pretty. The edges are crisp, I don't see distortion or tearing, whatever else. If they had just made the thing to spec, god it would be selling like crack.

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    I feel sorry for them. They are obviously skilled manufacturers but poor business men. One look at SMG would have told them there is a market for quality repros. They could have simply copied the MP44 concept, add some denial features to receiver and trunnion and call it a day. Maybe reinforce the bottom slot in the receiver for more durability. There was no reason for multi-caliber. The most I would have been comfortable with is 7.92mm/7.62mm, similar to SMG's 8mm/.308 versions. Too bad Ian McCollum didn't talk them out the multi-cal nightmare.

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    I didn’t mean to sound too harsh towards HMG. They seem like decent folks trying to accomplish a very difficult task. I hear their Cetme-L builds are very well done. But the hype for these guns obviously came way too early and I think they were trying to cater to too many people by offering multiple calibers/barrels and such. I’m sure making a closer replica of the real StG would be more expensive and price a lot of potential buyers out. Using HK lowers to allow for registered sears isn’t a terrible idea and cheaper than producing the overly complicated lower of a MP44 from scratch. But the SMG FG42 is a great example of how, in my opinion, you can create a quality replica but still make concessions. (Milled receiver versus stamped for instance) The biggest thing Rick did right was massive R&D to create a WORKING rifle first and then commit to buyers. They spent countless hours and testing making sure this FG42 would operate with a reasonable level of reliability. I have one and love it. And it IS an FG42 at its core and not some frankenstein committee design that barely resembles its historical brethren. But to each their own. $5000 is a lot more than $1800. The biggest shame is that the HMG still isn’t released years after so many promises and there’s not even a video(to my understanding) of the rifle shooting more than a couple rounds without jamming constantly.

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    A person who owns a registered HK sear/pack couldn't use it in this gun, at least not legally. The pack can only be used on HK type guns. Some guys out there were making M249 clones and came across this, then there are the MG-34 AR uppers that can't use a registered AR lower component. Just the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nirvana View Post
    A person who owns a registered HK sear/pack couldn't use it in this gun, at least not legally. The pack can only be used on HK type guns. Some guys out there were making M249 clones and came across this, then there are the MG-34 AR uppers that can't use a registered AR lower component. Just the rules.
    Interesting. Learn something everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sen24 View Post
    Interesting. Learn something everyday.
    Yea, its one of those "gun family" things designed to limit changes. Otherwise, some smart ass out there would take a Mac-10 receiver, flatten it into a press, and then use it as an M-240b sideplate.

    There were guys pulling stuff sort of like this a few years ago, "washing" paperwork by transferring guns several times with slightly different names each time, until the new gun wasn't the old one. They just kept the serial and make, and then made a "fake" gun using the information from the now-destroyed one. So an Mac 10 would become an M10 would become a M1910 would become a Maxim M1910, etc.

    Click here for the indictment

    It made the paperwork process a real headache for all of us for a while, as the ATF began rejecting forms that didn't 100% match the prior paperwork. My old PPSH-41 was apparently registered in 9mm when it was remanufactured, I guess because 7.62 tok ammo was hard to find back then. When I acquired it, the gun was in the proper caliber, and the paperwork matched that caliber, but my forms were rejected when I went to sell it. They went deep into it's paperwork trail and caught the change, and said it was a no go, they didn't care what caliber it was actually in. So I had to change my outgoing Form 4 to state that my PPSH was chambered in 9mm, otherwise the forms wouldn't go through. I'm wanting to say that my M-2 carbine had a similar problem, but my memory has hazed with time. I think when it was registered, the guy just put what length he thought that the barrel was, within an inch or so, and called it a day. By the time I got it, the paperwork stated the exact barrel length, to like the quarter inch. Got rejected. Yea...
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