German used Italian M91/28?

rockisle1903 · May 12, 2018

Picked this up at the local military show...Missing the cleaning rod...I posted it on Gunboards this morning to find out what the base rifle actually is..These things are confusing...Anyway, signs of German use are the 4 digit number stamped on the keel and a blued bolt...A cool thing is the white paint that wasn't removed from the dings in the stock in current pic #3...A sign of winter/mountain use? There is no facility stamp in the stock that I could see, but it is pretty beat up on the keel by the lower swivel and may have been obliterated....Sorry again for the mixed up photos, no clue on why that keeps happening...Thoughts on this one are appreciated...Thanks for looking, Mike

RyanE · May 12, 2018

Looks German to me, though I don't think that bolt is blued. Its just the heavy gray patina that is common on these.

I have a Dutch No1NM that has an added stock SN in what looks like the same font. No depot stamp on it either, but I am confident it was German used.
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?10233-Neat-German-Used-Dutch-No1NM

rockisle1903 · May 12, 2018

RyanE said:
Looks German to me, though I don't think that bolt is blued. Its just the heavy gray patina that is common on these.

I thought that too, at first, but under magnification it sure looks like it has been blued...It is pretty even colored throughout the body, the back half is still in the white/patina...
But I was pretty certain the keel number was a German trait, at least on foreign made weapons...Thanks for the response, Mike

Stephan98k · May 15, 2018

RyanE said:
Looks German to me, though I don't think that bolt is blued. Its just the heavy gray patina that is common on these.

I have a Dutch No1NM that has an added stock SN in what looks like the same font. No depot stamp on it either, but I am confident it was German used.
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?10233-Neat-German-Used-Dutch-No1NM

I agree with you, it looks German.

We all know, the German Volkssturm had the Italian rifles in large numbers and Dutch rifles too. As example beside the river Weichsel, around 35 kilometer southern of Danzig on February 1, 1945:

Sector "Kampfgruppe Lobach" - Volkssturm Infantry Battalion Marienwerder
a) Combat group: 2nd and 3rd company with 193 soldiers and equipped with 193 Italian rifles.
b) Working company: Staff and 1st company with 179 soldiers and equipped with 179 Italian rifles.

Sector "Kampfgruppe 23rd Infantry Division" - Volkssturm Battalion
138 soldiers equipped with 100 Italian and Dutch rifles.

Stock of Dutch rifle ammunition at Heeres-Munitionsanstalt Posen on January 14, 1945:
- 15,600 rounds 6.5 mm Cartridge 152 (h) in clips
- 191,116 rounds 6.5 mm Cartridge 152 (h) without clips

Pat · May 15, 2018

8x57IS said:
Stock of Dutch rifle ammunition at Heeres-Munitionsanstalt Posen on January 14, 1945:
- 15,600 rounds 6.5 mm Cartridge 152 (h) in clips
- 191,116 rounds 6.5 mm Cartridge 152 (h) without clips

I'm surprised there was actually that much foreign ammunition located that close to the front by that point in the war. I wonder if that inventory was done just prior to transporting it deeper into the Reich?

Stephan98k · May 15, 2018

Pat said:
I'm surprised there was actually that much foreign ammunition located that close to the front by that point in the war. I wonder if that inventory was done just prior to transporting it deeper into the Reich?

The Dutch ammo is just a little part of the foreign ammunition located at Posen, they had a huge stock. I have a lot Posen documents, the whole story what happened there and in the future I will write maybe a extra thread about it.

Pat · May 15, 2018

8x57IS said:
The Dutch ammo is just a little part of the foreign ammunition located at Posen, they had a huge stock. I have a lot Posen documents, the whole story what happened there and in the future I will write maybe a extra thread about it.

Outstanding! I look forward to it.

Best,
Pat

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