Auction Find S243, 1938

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jsz

Senior Member

• Jul 20, 2018

• #1

I picked this up today at a rural auction. Supposedly, unknown to the family and found it in the attic floor boards preparing for the auction. The father was an ETO vet, in the US Army artillery.

matching barrel and receiver and from a quick review most everything else is not matching to the receiver. interesting the front site was slotted for a hood. Stock was a pleasant surprise, however duffle cut. Trigger guard is a "byf", double 135, unserialed, with a serialed waffen 655 floor plate.
The muzzle cap is also very interesting, appears phosphate and numbered, I need to clean it and see if proofed.

A few quick photos before I disassemble and soak in diesel.

 

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jsz

Senior Member

• Jul 20, 2018

• #2

And the muzzle cover.

 

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pzjgr

EOD - bombs and bullets

• Jul 20, 2018

• #3

Has anyone ever tried Evaporust on a heavily rusted action like this?

Ordnance collectors use it, and it does a tremendous job of getting rid of all the rust, but leaving any original paint alone....

And I mean the rust is gone....

I don't know how it would affect the blue, but it would zap the rust good...

By the way OP, cool find! Strange that a bring back would be so mismatched...

I bet it will clean up good...don't touch the wood though..I know someone who could fix that up good as new.

 

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jsz

Senior Member

• Jul 20, 2018

• #4

I bet it will clean up good...don't touch the wood though..I know someone who could fix that up good as new.[/QUOTE]

Not a problem for me...
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?13239-First-run-with-the-duplicator

 

pzjgr

EOD - bombs and bullets

• Jul 20, 2018

• #5

Ah, I see...another one of our guys is damned good at doing the same...

 

chasdev

Well-known member

• Jul 21, 2018

• #6

Evaporust is a no no, will remove bluing I'm told.
Slow is good so apply Breakfree "CLP" and gently scrub the metal bits with a toothbrush (after soaking a while), then wipe with a rag.
Repeat a few dozen times over a month or so and it will look much better without damaging anything..

 

ltong29

Senior Member

• Jul 21, 2018

• #7

I've had pretty good success with kroil. Let it soak overnight and go to work with a bronze brush. I've also considered trying Blue Wonder gun cleaner
Before



After

 

boilerop

Senior Member

• Jul 21, 2018

• #8

Can't wait to see before, and after, always nice to see them still coming out of some closet or basement, and then to a auction house!

 

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Ken T

Junior Member

• Jul 21, 2018

• #9

Evaporust and WD-40 rust remover will both remove bluing.I use Kroil and stainless steel pot scrubbers to remove rust.The stainless steel scrubbers do not affect bluing.

 

pzjgr

EOD - bombs and bullets

• Jul 21, 2018

• #10

Ken T said:

Evaporust and WD-40 rust remover will both remove bluing.I use Kroil and stainless steel pot scrubbers to remove rust.The stainless steel scrubbers do not affect bluing.

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Its too bad about the evaporust and bluing, the stuff is magic for ordnance and other things, just never tried it on guns...weird too, because it generally won't even effect original paint on ordnance....

ETA Although, technically, bluing is a type of rust in a sense, so maybe it dos make sense...good to know, that's for sure...

 

flynaked

Repo Field Gear Collector

• Jul 21, 2018

• #11

There’s a reason it’s called rust bluing

Awesome find!! I wish something like that would turn up under my floor! I would clean it up and leave it exactly as found parts wise, it’ll never be anything more, and certainly tells a story as it sits.

 

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jsz

Senior Member

• Jul 21, 2018

• #12

I have taken the gun apart and letting the metal soak.
The stock is maker marked and the number 6 in the groove and no serial. Under rear but plate, no date codes, etc..
Receiver has on bottom left side has a proof that I have not identified and a 7 next to it. Numerous "X" on the bottom of the receiver. one at bottom of site tube, barrel, receiver marked in a few spots and also with an "X 5". Not having any early Borsigwalds to compare these markings to.

Bolt is matching, Waffen 37, with some parts marked with a "C", including bolt body and firing pin. Also, a small asterisk on the underside of the bolt root below the Waffen stamps.

 

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colorado

Active member

• Jul 22, 2018

• #13

jsz said:

I have taken the gun apart and letting the metal soak.
The stock is maker marked and the number 6 in the groove and no serial. Under rear but plate, no date codes, etc..
Receiver has on bottom left side has a proof that I have not identified and a 7 next to it. Numerous "X" on the bottom of the receiver. one at bottom of site tube, barrel, receiver marked in a few spots and also with an "X 5". Not having any early Borsigwalds to compare these markings to.

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Here's one for you to compare with. This is also a 1938 s243

 

WreckTangle

Mad Dog 20/20 Connoisseur (RIP Brother 06-05-203)

• Jul 27, 2018

• #14

Has anyone ever tried electrolysis to remove the rust? how would that affect the bluing/phosphate?