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    Default Not a Mauser, but... (Part 2)

    I picked this up recently. M1869 Bavarian Werder rifle. Pretty decent shape all things considered. This rifle is in original configuration and somehow escaped the ill-fated Prussian conversion process. This example is a product of the Amberg rifle factory. The bore is quite nice and other than some damage to the toe of the stock, in nice shape. The rifle is Unit marked to a Jager unit. ("J" vs. "J.R." for infantry. )

    This rifle is matching, but there is a peculiarity in numbering. The barrelled receiver, stock and trigger guard bear the same SN. The action bears both the same SN and another SN that fully matches itself. I had heard that the actions on these were subcontracted by various companies so a "matching" rifle has an action with a different number.

    Here are pics: IMG_20180831_074318641~2.jpegIMG_20180831_074343012~2.jpegIMG_20180831_074351466~2.jpegIMG_20180831_074400126~2.jpegIMG_20180831_172755030.jpegIMG_20180831_074508795~2.jpegIMG_20180831_074513990~2.jpegIMG_20180831_074445608.jpegIMG_20180831_074434172.jpegIMG_20180831_170819711~2.jpegIMG_20180831_171151811.jpegIMG_20180831_165446418.jpegIMG_20180831_165245094.jpegIMG_20180831_165403070.jpegIMG_20180831_165307448.jpegIMG_20180831_165222584.jpegIMG_20180831_165421759.jpegIMG_20180831_165323419.jpeg

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    Ah the lightning rifle a very fast single shot rifle at the time. Had some mechanical faults with it but I believe that was due too the black powdered rounds during the time period. But seriously this was a very advanced rifle in 1869!

    Very cool chrisftk you have quite the Imperial collection!
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    Very nice rifle, congratulations. To find these without the adaptation to the prussian 11x60 R cartridge is pretty difficult.

    Now your face the challange to find an unaltered werder yatagan bayonet M/69!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior1354 View Post
    Ah the lightning rifle a very fast single shot rifle at the time. Had some mechanical faults with it but I believe that was due too the black powdered rounds during the time period. But seriously this was a very advanced rifle in 1869!

    Very cool chrisftk you have quite the Imperial collection!
    Thanks as always-- I believe the Werder itself was a solid rifle and the mechanical issues you mentioned were due to the Prussians very crudely converting them to 11x60 Mauser (for ammo standardization), which was far too hot of a round for these actions. In the original caliber (11x50) they performed extremely well in the Franco Prussian War by all accounts I've read.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartaner545 View Post
    Very nice rifle, congratulations. To find these without the adaptation to the prussian 11x60 R cartridge is pretty difficult.

    Now your face the challange to find an unaltered werder yatagan bayonet M/69!


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    Very nice find! Does it fit well?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartaner545 View Post
    Very nice find! Does it fit well?


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    Yeah, it pretty much slid right on and fits securely with no wobbling.

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