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    Default Possible German-use VZ-24

    Picked up another possible German-used VZ-24, this time with intact lion crest. Rear sling point has been removed and the holes filled. I realize the rear band is missing the screw and is installed backwards... Opinions?







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    Based on the modification to the pistol grip area where it originally had a side swivel I would say it was done by the Germans during the war. Other than the serial numbers shown in your photos, is anything else numbered?
    WTB/WTT: (1)late E/H marked bcd stock either standard or semi-Kriegs; (2)unnumbered late MO Zf-41 stock, Kriegs or standard stock; (3)transitional late unnumbered type dot stock which uses bandspring and has bayo mount but no cleaning rod hole; (4)unnumbered byf standard stock as typically found on some byf 44 K and L block rifles; (5)unnumbered E/H bnz standard stock as typically found on bnz.4 and bnz 44 N, O, and P block rifles; (6)any bnz Kriegsmodell stock either with E/H or without

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pisgah View Post
    Based on the modification to the pistol grip area where it originally had a side swivel I would say it was done by the Germans during the war. Other than the serial numbers shown in your photos, is anything else numbered?
    Nothing else is numbered. Is there any info on how these rifles were collected and distributed to the soldiers within the various Heer and SS units? There seems to be a wide variation on configurations for these captured rifles. Some have external markings while others don't.

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    I don't know any specific information regarding them. Very few were marked by depots. Many show minimal signs of German use, like yours. Other signs would be blued bolts, German firing pin disassembly disks installed, stock modified for side sling, additional numbered parts, bottom swivels removed from lower bands, and various forms of removing the bottom swivels from the bottom of the buttstock near the buttplate.
    WTB/WTT: (1)late E/H marked bcd stock either standard or semi-Kriegs; (2)unnumbered late MO Zf-41 stock, Kriegs or standard stock; (3)transitional late unnumbered type dot stock which uses bandspring and has bayo mount but no cleaning rod hole; (4)unnumbered byf standard stock as typically found on some byf 44 K and L block rifles; (5)unnumbered E/H bnz standard stock as typically found on bnz.4 and bnz 44 N, O, and P block rifles; (6)any bnz Kriegsmodell stock either with E/H or without

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    What Pisgah said. It's a very typical German modified Vz.24, so technically it is a G.24(t) in German inventory. These were done by depots and marked as such and modifications done at the higher level armorer / waffenmeister level. If you look at period pics both Heer and WSS can be seen using them. Some are obviously straight up unmodified Czech captures. The common and consistent mods are the removed and plugged wrist swivel and blued bolt. After that, the numbering of parts, the lower band mods (or not), vary.
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    Pretty cool! My reworked Vz.23 also has an "X" in the wrist area though that could be a Czech thing for all I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambone View Post
    ..The common and consistent mods are the removed and plugged wrist swivel and blued bolt. After that, the numbering of parts, the lower band mods (or not), vary.
    I have to agree from what I've seen. That would appear to be the base level mods and they go up (and vary) wildly from there. It's quite the topic and several members have many examples with the whole gamut of mods. A very interesting topic IMHO.
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    Thanks for the feedback. It seems like there's a wide variation with these rifles. Out of the 3 German modified guns, there's a bunch of differences.

    Ulm VZ-98/22 to VZ-24 depot build
    Rebarreled with 1938 VZ-24 barrel with Nazi firing proof
    Magazine holds open on empty
    Rear sling point removed
    Numbers added to front band, magazine floor plate
    Takedown disk added to stock

    1926 VZ-24
    Magazine holds open on empty
    Rear sling point removed
    Side swivel removed from rear band

    1937 VZ-24
    Rear sling point removed

    In addition, most of them have a letter at the wrist except the depot built one

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