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    Hi guys first post, great info here on these rifles...

    6 months go I bought myself this G43 locally from an antique gun dealer, and I severely overpaid ($4k), I'm not good at deciding how much to pay on the spot. Isn't it funny how no matter how much you like a gun you can never stop thinking about how much you paid for it?

    Anyway I'm actually just looking for some help in making this baby a little more pleasing to the eye...

    I was told when I bought it, and from my research I believe it's true, that this one is 100% original, and the story was basically that it was an attic find, it came with the original sling attached too.

    However, there are some stains on the wood and metal that I'd love to find a way to clean up, but I know that doing anything to an original rifle is a bad idea.

    I'll let the pictures speak for themselves, there's a lot of them, but maybe some of you guys have some ideas?

    The only thing I tried so far is soaking the metal parts in CLP for a few days, but very little is coming clean. I also bought some #0000 steel wool and rubbed some of the problem spots extremely gently but still nothing came off.

    Is there a better product to remove the rust and staining? Is there anything safe to use on the wood stock to give it some life or reduce those stains?

    Thanks for any help, here's the pics:































    There's a few more pics that didn't fit inside this post

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    Very nice rifle you have there!!
    There will be way more knowledgeable people then me that will tell you all you want to know about that rifle.

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    Far from an expert, but bronze wool and a lot of oil will remove surface rust with out harming the bluing. Be gentle, take your time. On the butt plate perhaps soaking in mineral spirits will loosen that stuff, and again the bronze wool for rust. Don't do anything too aggressive as it will kill the collectability and originality. Think of this, it survived just fine for 75 years with out you, the less you do the better!

    I took a shooter grade AC45 and dolled it up, but its worth only what it's worth, my matching K43 (qve 45) has dark wood stains and other imperfections and I leave it be....

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    Maybe that is some kind of urethane on the metal and and the mineral spirits will dissolve it.....possibly it was put there to protect the metal and has degraded with time and might come off easier than one would think.

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    Hopefully the firing pin housing and both locking lugs match. If they do, PLEASE!!!!!, please, don’t try to clean or do anything else like that. And please don’t shoot her either. If you bust a numbered part or that stock, you will kill the value and history of this rifle. She’s gorgeous like she is. Thank you for showing us this one. We ALWAYS like to see original ones like this.

    She’s rare IF she’s all original (“if” because we don’t know about the locking lugs or firing pin housing). They are hard to find like that. Resist all temptation to clean her. More damage has been done to these by new owners trying to clean them or somehow make them look nice than the what the war did. The stains on the stock are just fine.

    She might be ugly, but it’s original. You are very fortunate to have found this one.

    $4k is not super bad for a totally original rifle. For this one and the condition (again, it’s not bad) it’s probably a $3,500 to a $3,800 dollar rifle.....right now. They are going up in value.

    Realistically, I would take a little RIG grease and clear Hoppes gun oil and caefully oil up the outter metal; like the barrel and bolt complonents......but that’s it. Oh, and maybe run a slightly oiled patch down the barrel too.

    If you absolutely MUST make her look better, the only real way to do it is to find another totally original one, a nicer one in condition (good luck with that) and buy that one. Then sell this one to re-coup your money. You will look long and hard to find another totally original one, and might have to pay more.
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    I defer to more experience certainly, just curious what your best guess is on the barrel and receiver, from the photos it seems like some form of coating, especially on the front site ramp and hood?

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    Listen to Tiger 2 Tank, he is very, very knowledgeable on these.

    That is a great rifle, as Tiger says, I don't know if I would do much to it, it looks great as is...

    Another word of warning, if you look at the pic of the rear of the receiver, with the triple hole pattern (looks kind of like a Mickey Mouse), it looks like it is cracked on the lower most part...this is a known weak point, and if it is cracked, I certainly wouldn't consider firing it.

    I have exactly one G-43...never fired, never will, have no desire to. I just enjoy it for what it is....not worth damaging it just to hear it go boom.

    ETA To me, that staining on the butt plate and how it extends onto the wood....looks like blood staining to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pzjgr View Post
    Listen to Tiger 2 Tank, he is very, very knowledgeable on these.

    That is a great rifle, as Tiger says, I don't know if I would do much to it, it looks great as is...

    Another word of warning, if you look at the pic of the rear of the receiver, with the triple hole pattern (looks kind of like a Mickey Mouse), it looks like it is cracked on the lower most part...this is a known weak point, and if it is cracked, I certainly wouldn't consider firing it.

    I have exactly one G-43...never fired, never will, have no desire to. I just enjoy it for what it is....not worth damaging it just to hear it go boom.

    ETA To me, that staining on the butt plate and how it extends onto the wood....looks like blood staining to me...
    Thanks pzjgr! I was thinking it looked like blood staining too. Just by the way it looked as you were explaining. Might have been in a fight somewhere and the vet picked it up like it was and this is how it made it home and now for us to see. Unfortunately, that explaination has been over used to explain bluing loss a lot, so it’s dismissed most of the time.

    What does the right rear/inside under the butt stock plate look like? Is it stained in there too?

    Check out the 6 point star on the bolt. That little inspector mark is found on a lot of Walther P.38’s too. A lot on the locking blocks on the Walther P.38’s have those.

    Not sure what the stamp is in the stock sling eyelet is.

    Has the approved field modified automatic dust cover.

    Did it have the butt stock “giblets” in it?

    So far, this is a really cool rifle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger 2 Tank View Post
    Thanks pzjgr! I was thinking it looked like blood staining too. Just by the way it looked as you were explaining. Might have been in a fight somewhere and the vet picked it up like it was and this is how it made it home and now for us to see. Unfortunately, that explaination has been over used to explain bluing loss a lot, so itís dismissed most of the time.

    What does the right rear/inside under the butt stock plate look like? Is it stained in there too?

    Check out the 6 point star on the bolt. That little inspector mark is found on a lot of Walther P.38ís too. A lot on the locking blocks on the Walther P.38ís have those.

    Not sure what the stamp is in the stock sling eyelet is.

    So far, this is a really cool rifle.
    Does that bottom web on the rear receiver look cracked to you?

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