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    Default 1941 Bayo just in ....preserving frog/metal question

    Just got this one that supposingly came home with a G98/40 from vets son.
    I have used ď Antique leather Dressing ď in the past and like the results on slings. Just want to make sure itís not frowned up or something may be better. I noticed the top of the slider is splitting ...

    As far as the Bayo , should I do anything besides oil ? 0000 brass wool?

    My first German Bayo.
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    More pics , thanks for any advice.

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    I can see the bayonet is a Ferlach (bym). Is scabbard matched? For the metal, what to do depends on if it has no rust, light surface rust, or concretions of rust/pitting. In the main, wiping down the metal with something like a lite oil or "Breakfree", with VERY LITE PRESSURE and using a #0000 pad of steel wool moistened with the preservative (ALWAYS moving with the "grain" of the metal), will clean off most residue. Wipe everything clean with a dry cloth. Take a toothbrush to get crud out of the corners, around the frog stud, and out of the T/O slot. Lastly take another clean patch of cloth litely moistened with the oil, etc. and wipe all the metal down. That ought to suffice in most cases. As for the frog, it appears to be in superb condition with crisp, white stitching. I would leave it alone. Some might use a bit of Ballistol to add something back into the leather, but don't get anything on the white cotton stitching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwcosol View Post
    I can see the bayonet is a Ferlach (bym). Is scabbard matched? For the metal, what to do depends on if it has no rust, light surface rust, or concretions of rust/pitting. In the main, wiping down the metal with something like a lite oil or "Breakfree", with VERY LITE PRESSURE and using a #0000 pad of steel wool moistened with the preservative (ALWAYS moving with the "grain" of the metal), will clean off most residue. Wipe everything clean with a dry cloth. Take a toothbrush to get crud out of the corners, around the frog stud, and out of the T/O slot. Lastly take another clean patch of cloth litely moistened with the oil, etc. and wipe all the metal down. That ought to suffice in most cases. As for the frog, it appears to be in superb condition with crisp, white stitching. I would leave it alone. Some might use a bit of Ballistol to add something back into the leather, but don't get anything on the white cotton stitching.

    Thank you, yes scabbard has matching numbers. Any idea why they added the 3 additional numbers under the serial number? Scabbard has the 3 extra numbers too.

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    Nice bayonet and frog. I think the additional numbers were part of bym`s numbering system, and they switched to using letters in 1944. The experts will surely correct me if I am wrong.
    " Hey, I got it from a long time dealer in Third Reich militaria years ago, so you know it`s real." Over heard comment at a table.

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    bym 41 in rig configuration with frog, i would only oil blade and metall pommel, is a nice piece of Ferlach production. THe frog is LW type, as G98/40 were delivered to LW units, its possible the complet was delivered with the rifle to soldier of LW unit, Ferlach is as nearest to Budapest production. b.r.Andy

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    Your first German bayonet is a tough year and maker to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joezeta View Post
    Thank you, yes scabbard has matching numbers. Any idea why they added the 3 additional numbers under the serial number? Scabbard has the 3 extra numbers too.
    It was Mike Welser whom figured out the secondary number was more or less a "counter". For every 200 units produced, the lower number incremented by one digit. The upper number is sequential. Theoretically, when the lower number reached 499 and that block of 200 was finished, the next upper number would be 99801. It is believed the last bloc would have been 500, with the final serial number/production total to that point being 100000 (I would dearly like to have this bayonet!). This likely terminated the original numbering system, and it reverted to the standard all other manufacturers used. This comprised blocks of 10,000 units (starting with a no-letter bloc the beginning of each new year), using either a sequential letter prefix or suffix with the serial number. However, Ferlach started with the "A" bloc.
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    Nice rig. Quite unusual to see a 1941 dated frog with aluminum hardware.

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    Thanks for the interesting info everyone.

    It came back with this rifle.
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