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Germanic Script S Stamp. Early SS mark?

Totally ebay that shite bro, but Jesus toast is better. Yes it does look like a pirate one. Maybe it is a figment of my imagination. Thanks for making me Sauer Sohn. That makes SSense to me.

I color enhanced and Instagram filtered that toast using the “Sküllenwerfer” filter and got this:

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What is the provenance of that there toast?? Fresh out of a big collection??


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I color enhanced and Instagram filtered that toast using the “Sküllenwerfer” filter and got this:

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What is the provenance of that there toast?? Fresh out of a big collection??


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“Sküllenwerfer” filter. Now I needa get me one of those. I ended up having to have Mettwurst and cheese on Toast after trying to google a comeback. I'll need 6 trillion gigapixels before anyone online will be able to see the skull clearly. As even the Waffenamt with Waa63 is near impossible to see. I've been using a Jewelers magnifier to follow the lines. It wasn't sold with a huge backstory or anything. As for the Double punch I know what you mean, but they both seem to be equally deep Although you'd need a pretty good eye to purposely double stamp that close. Not having any similar stamps to compare it to doesn't help. What's your take on the one on the Bolt? Is it a scaled down version of the one under the Receiver? Coz that sucker is tiny and the 214 is only just lightly stamped, Then it has imperial proofs on the same parts, I've got the books on the way so perhaps i'll have to wait to read em... online searching is just useless. About the only thing Bing can find is Google. Although I did manage to educate myself on the K167 On parts of the bolt. And found out there's a Waffenamt WTF that exists found on German ordinance. Lol. They're either Unknown or found on Fuses. There were a few others that made me laugh. Good timing for the Toast being Easter n all.
 
New pics of skull with ss runes

So I went out in the sunlight to try get a better pic of my imaginary ''Toast Skull'' and look what I snapped! There is a skull with an ''X'' And an SS Runic style to the right that seems to be part of the x, with what appears to be a downward pointing Arrow?. :googlie Either I have a great imagination or i'm looking at something here. Could the ''Y'' Under the Receiver be a Toten or Leben Rune? Keep in mind I smeared enough oil on this rifle to protect it for 1000yrs back in 2012. The oil is finally soaking in and or fading allowing for better pics.
 

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So I went out in the sunlight to try get a better pic of my imaginary ''Toast Skull'' and look what I snapped! There is a skull with an ''X'' And an SS Runic style to the right that seems to be part of the x, with what appears to be a downward pointing Arrow?. :googlie Either I have a great imagination or i'm looking at something here. Could the ''Y'' Under the Receiver be a Toten or Leben Rune? Keep in mind I smeared enough oil on this rifle to protect it for 1000yrs back in 2012. The oil is finally soaking in and or fading allowing for better pics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gMabCxMsQY I'll get it back out and make another video so everyone can get a decent look and voice their opinion. I'd never noticed the runes and arrow till last week.
 
1 Stamp ~ and Star stamp on ss Rifles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gMabCxMsQY I'll get it back out and make another video so everyone can get a decent look and voice their opinion. I'd never noticed the runes and arrow till last week.

I can't help but think there's something to these markings. After reading the 'Backbone of the Wehrmacht' and VOL:1 Of the book from you guys I couldn't help but notice that the '1' stamped ss Rifles have the same enlarged top on the '1' that's stamped on my rear sightleaf and on my cocking piece of my bolt. The mix and match parts of old and new on my bolt suggests field armoury parts replacement. Now can anyone tell me did the ss Replace parts on Wehrmacht or Luftwaffe weapons or were they simply allocated to ss weapon repair replacement? There IS an odd albeit ''Pirate style'' skull stamp under my pistolgrip and ss runes branded on there, but this rifle is a prototype so it's no wonder it doesn't have the standard stamps of Obendorf or the ss. It has the star stamp and also a lightly stamped ~ not to mention the odd stamp near the star. All of which line up Does anyone actually know how and in what manner how many rifles were syphoned off to the SS in the prewar period? This rifle has a Waa63 stamp under the pistol grip in the same ''branded'' style as the skull and ss runes. Were these really contract parts or ''Contract parts'' false sales to arm the ss-vt and eventually the Waffen ss? If the WAFFENSS had up to 150,000 within 6months of it's inception in 1939 (then up to 800+thousand by 1945'). Surely there was a prerequisite in place to obtain weapons prior to 1939. I personally believe they were syphoning off rifles in many different ways and marking them in such a manner as to not be immediately noticeable. ie ''contract rifles/parts''. (Or maybe I just have a vivid imagination but to me 2+2=4) That aside the 1 stamp may just be from a late war bolt replacement when the ss picked up this rifle. I'm sure this has been debated many times. Ps some trials come to a guilty verdict based purely on ''circumstantial evidence''. Although surely there's some actual evidence of the 1935-39 ss k98's other than the earlier Converted Gew98's and Standard Modell's. There appears to be a gap for SS Rifles once manufacturing was switched to purely k98's. It can't just jump from early/mid 30's ss rifles to mid 40's one's whilst the ss were growing and arming themselves the entire time. I may be completely wrong linking the '1' the Star ''contract rifles'' have, the ~ and the other odd stamp near the star, that looks like the top of the 2ss stamp. But the 1 is definitely the same stamp as the one in the book on pages 499-500. I understand much in terms of documentation was lost in bombing raids, but since much of arming the ss was done in secret I doubt there would've been much in terms of documentation anyway. I also believe the swivel slings on this rifle have something to do with ss use. The swivels are unmarked but the lower band is Waa623 stamped. Another reason I believe it was SS armourer replaced. Ps. Love the Books! They're fkg awesome! And a MUST for anyone into collecting these rifles. I'd also like to note in case anyone is unsure I have not altered or touched this rifle in anyway other than oiling it with a thick layer of natural rifle stock wood oil.(Truoil) This rifle is one of the few early laminated 1937 examples that contains Weimar and Nazi style proofs prior to their introduction in 1938. Also to note it has an 'H' Stamped under the receiver like the ss book example. Is the c x an attempt to hide an ss skull? Along with the double script S? No one can even tell me where my barrel comes from! Cheers.
 

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I'm going to lay this out for you - your rifle is NOT an SS rifle. The fact that a single stamp resembles something on an SS rifle is not an indicator that your rifle is SS. Many specialized manufacturers used dies and stamps supplied by single sources, mostly larger depots, which supplied many different industry and organizations. Back then numbering dies were hand made so it wasn't like today where a small shop can turn out dies with a CNC. So all of the odd stars, cursive Sauer S stamps, other odd *&%$ looking markings are simply process stamps used by manufacturers to approve operations to the blanks, and receiver bottoms were the easiest place to stamp inspection markings. One of the Steyr process stamps look like a dude with his dick hanging down, but it isn't indicative of a thriving porn industry at Steyr.

I appreciate your thoroughness, but you are seeing things that aren't there. Yes, there are stamps, and you see a skull and some runes, but those things you see are NOT what you think they are, unless in the 70's somebody put them there for novelty purposes.

The SS did not reinvent the wheel on every rifle, the markings used are pretty easily tracked by variant. Your rifles bolt is not mismatched due to field armorers, it's mismatched because someone put it together from parts. Done during the war or after is irrelevant as official depots did not do it this way, we know this from years of research and study, just like you are doing, but on a larger scale and across the world.

My suggestion, go out and find another rifle and study that one. When you get another and compare, you start to get a clearer picture. The more you get, the more you see. But trust me, the "This is an SS rifle because.." rabbit hole is just going to irritate you and others, it isn't an SS rifle.
 
lol. Funny man. Yeah it is a ripper tho aye. It seems as though that early ss Skulls werel frontal profile and later versions were on an angle. I'd like to know if this is legit. Seems to fancy to be on the front. But I guess when death is your life you're gonna represent.

The SS skulls predate the SS and even modern Germany for that matter.

They go back to Prussia as a symbol for the Hussars.

The Skull and crossbones has made multiple appearances throughout the german military over the years so just because something has the skull and bones mean does not mean it is remotely SS.
 
..trust me, the "This is an SS rifle because.." rabbit hole is just going to irritate you and others, it isn't an SS rifle.

Folke Myrvang says... I know someone who'd love to 'authenticate' it for you. :laugh:

Seriously Mike is correct when he says volumes of rifles along with lots of period directives paint a pretty clear picture over a long time. It can't validate every rifle or process but it can certainly rule out many as 'it just wasn't done that way'. The Germans period used electro-pencils. That doesn't mean every RC with an EP grab bag is German.
 
''One of the Steyr process stamps look like a dude with his dick hanging down, but it isn't indicative of a thriving porn industry at Steyr.'' :laugh: Lmao Finally. thanks Obi. now is there any way to track where the barrel came from? Or is that an impossible task? I don't believe anyone has put anything on the rifle, it may be a bizarre case of the wood staining like that. It may also not even be a skull but an eagle Imperial style with wings stretched up giving the appearance of a skull. if you seen it in hand you'd know there's something there, but i'm fucked if I can tell what it actually is, (besides a pirate looking skull). There is a E/Waa63 At the top of the pistol grip. I have another but it's just a franken Israeli in 8mm and isn't stamped and marked up like this one fun to shoot nothing to look at. To me the same odd 1 ss stamp in 3 locations and a weird looking skull with ss runes would suggest a link. How many of these 1937 matching early Lam stocks have been located? As they may be an exception to the standard rule. Not like there's millions of them about to compare. I have Prussian Ancestry i'm well aware of the Hussars. But a rifle made in 1937 with a skull is going to have more in common with the SS Than Prussia. I still think there's more to it. Also I can't buy another w/o a ''Valid reason'' coz my country turning gay af, also doubt i'd find one as rare as an early prototype for $500. I'm going to look into when and where it was brought back the dealer I transferred it to is a personal collector i'm sure he'll help me find out some info. Cheers.
 
This... This is why i love the internet.

:laugh: ''One of the Steyr process stamps look like a dude with his dick hanging down, but it isn't indicative of a thriving porn industry at Steyr.'' :laugh:
 
Not from the 70's

Just so u can see how hard it is to even see the E/Waa63 under the pistol grip. I doubt someone in Australia had a waffen/Luftamt Stamp let alone trying to put some runes under a random junker k98 that a vet most likely brought back. What ever the stamp is, it's done in the same fashion as the Original Waffenamt/Luftamts. Inked/Branded on. Not trying to be a fuckwit, just sayin there IS something there. I wanted you guys to tell me what it is. Well I guess I may never know what it actually is.
 

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Anyone care to tell wtf this stamp is?

While I've got people adding their 2c worth. Wtf is the stamp in between the f and the star? It looks kinda like a 'v' but it's a weird whiteish colour and looks almost like an 'S' When you rotate it. Or is it the famous Steyr dick stamp? It's the only stamp with a weird discolouration.
 

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..is there any way to track where the barrel came from? Or is that an impossible task?

A fair amount is known about barrels. They were either 100% made 'in house', supplied as blanks and finished in house (the most common scenario) or supplied as finished barrels. The entire barrel code is stamped radially around the base. You show dsh and e/623 x2. There is more in between. The e/623 is probably 3 and it was finished by Steyr.
 

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