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    My mount III type is 79809,
    Scope Dialytan 61339 with rifle nr. 10453 too:-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absolut View Post
    If it helps, I have SSR mount with single wing locking nut matched to rifle 82118 in my collection.

    Edit, listed in Spielauers book are the following additional Mauser Standard Modell SSR sniper rifles:

    1. Standard Modell 1934, S/N B 10571
    2. Standard Modell, S/N B 76652, comes with matching numbers mount and scope, but if you were to ask me a bit suspicious (this rifle here sold by RIA: https://www.rockislandauction.com/de...de-rail-sniper)

    Spielauer also shows the following scopes and mounts, serialized to 5-digit rifles:

    1. Hensoldt Dialytan 4x, Nr. 61.339 with mount serialized to rifle 10.453
    2. Ajack 4x90 (no focal adjustment, no rainshield), with type III mount which appears to carry a 5-digit rifle serial - but not readable
    3. Zeiss Zielvier serial 49.502 with blue X, with type III mount serialized to rifle 79.180 (an original Weihrauch mount which was updated to type III spec)
    Can you elaborate as to what is suspicious about this SSR Ser#B76652 . I am curious .

    Other Question regards this part of your post > (If it helps, I have SSR mount with single wing locking nut matched to rifle 82118 in my collection.) Are You saying You have the Rifle and the Matching Mount or just the Mount . Does the Mount have Scope and is it Original too Mount ???? . Will You post Pics ????
    Last edited by Dave Roberts; 06-20-2019 at 07:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Roberts View Post
    Can you elaborate as to what is suspicious about this SSR Ser#B76652 . I am curious .

    Other Question regards this part of your post > (If it helps, I have SSR mount with single wing locking nut matched to rifle 82118 in my collection.) Are You saying You have the Rifle and the Matching Mount or just the Mount . Does the Mount have Scope and is it Original too Mount ???? . Will You post Pics ????
    Dave,

    scope is the only one I've ever seen marked from 1-8 and not 1<->3 as normally found on SS scopes. Additionally the locking lever on the mount has the cutout to see where the pin in the base goes into - this is a feature of post WWII made versions of the SSR mount. What would you think of these two facts?

    Re my item, I've said I have the mount which is matched to a particular rifle. So no, I just have the mount. It came as mount only to me. You should by the way have pictures of it, have this mount for some years now, but can mail some to you if you can't find them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absolut View Post
    Dave,

    scope is the only one I've ever seen marked from 1-8 and not 1<->3 as normally found on SS scopes. Additionally the locking lever on the mount has the cutout to see where the pin in the base goes into - this is a feature of post WWII made versions of the SSR mount. What would you think of these two facts?

    Re my item, I've said I have the mount which is matched to a particular rifle. So no, I just have the mount. It came as mount only to me. You should by the way have pictures of it, have this mount for some years now, but can mail some to you if you can't find them.
    Georg , your comment on the Cutout to see were Base Pin goes on Locking Lever is not Post WWII made modification of the SSR Mounts , Its actually a WWII Modification . As for the Dial being 1-8 just because its the only one You have ever seen why does this make something or anything suspect let alone suspicious . How many times have one offs been found and called fake or suspicious and then another comes to light . Perfect example for You which You should recall is the (Zeiss blc HT Scopes or the comment about only Kahles and DKL used on Sauer SSR`s) Another example collectors use to say 6X Zeiss were NOT used on SSR`s then a photo surfaced showing those assumptions were Wrong . There are differences between the Banner Standard Modell #B76652 SSR when compared to Bruces SSR . That said one should not rule out the possibility that this Standard Modell SSR may not be SS or SS Polizei but one should not rule it out of being SS or SS Polizei because of the Range Dial .
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    Dave, I am not aware of any other sniper rifle showing this modification to the locking lever. I also do not know of a single picture showing a SSR mount with this mod. But I do know of quite some of those mounts with bases which are post WWII made and are not serialized at all. So it would be easy to match them to a particular rifle. I‘m not saying it is fake, I‘m just saying it has differences from known rifles and there is a chance that it could be reproduced exactly this way - and this is why I would not trust this rifle without having had it in hands.
    The 1 up to 8 marked elevation is an Army detail. All Police scopes were 1-2,3,4 and all SS scopes were 1-3 marked and for what I currently can think of all Army scopes were 1-8 marked. I do not think this can be compared with what you mention. Each sniper has to be looked at with high suspicion, and when it comes to SS sniper rifles you better ask minimum two more collectors for their opinions. If you don‘t mind me asking, did you buy this rifle?

    We‘re getting off topic. Would rather discuss the rifle in question here. It could well be made up late in the war - but no idea by whoever for whoever. It dates to 1942/1943 and we do know of several type III SSR mounts which have corresponding 5 digit serial numbers on them. The making with the cutback wood and the pairing numbers on bottom would speak towards Sauer & Sohn, but why would they at this point of time convert old rifles which were not even made by them to sniper rifles? If it wasn‘t Sauer, why would another company copy their way of conversion with carefully milling the stock to accomodate the base?

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    Georg
    I know of a completely Matching Sauer SSR Rifle that has this type of locking lever and other Depot Modification that its had done to it . I can say with 100% certainty it is a WWII Original modification and 100% legitimate Sauer SSR . It is not mine so I can not post pics .

    I was not getting off track , I was using the other subject matter such as blc HT and 6X on SSR to point out the fact that to often collectors jump to a preconceived conclusion of something being not known to them or seen before as to being fake . The Standard Modell #B76652 has differences when you compare it to Bruces rifle . We have no idea when or were these Standard Models were Converted so that is still an open subject regarding the point which You make here > (but why would they at this point of time convert old rifles which were not even made by them to sniper rifles? If it wasn‘t Sauer, why would another company copy their way of conversion with carefully milling the stock to accomodate the base?)



    As for looking at a Sniper Rifle with suspicion , I know this fact quite well I have been collecting German Snipers for over 20yrs the first thing I do is get others opinions and I always look at rifles like this with suspicion . Then there is the production traits I look for to compare them with known Original Examples . As for B76652 SSR I have this Rifle in hand , so I can speak from the knowledge of an in hand inspection . But let me also say I do not know were when or who converted it to a SSR , I will say with utmost of confidence it is not a Fake or PW put together . I plan to post detailed pics of this SSR in very near future .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce98k View Post
    I added images of the stock relief and 2-digit number on the bottom of the base.
    That was the picture I wanted to see the most. That stock relief would be hard to replicate. That one shows some age. Do we have others to compare?

    Dave, look forward to you pictures.

    Thanks to all who contributed to the thread.

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