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    Default Amberg 1904

    This is another one that I've had for a few years and never posted photos when I received it. This one is already documented here, I'll do some of the internals in a few days. This rifle had a barrel and bolt replacement done at Ingolstadt.

    Receiver SN: 562
    Barrel SN: 562, Barrel Code: BJ 121
    Front sight SN: 62
    Rear sight SN: 62
    Sight Slider SN: 62
    Ejector box SN: 62
    Trigger Sear SN: 62
    Front barrel band SN: 62
    Rear barrel band SN: 62
    Trigger guard SN: 562
    Trigger guard screws SN: 62, 88
    Floor Plate SN: 62
    Follower SN: 62
    Stock SN: 562
    Handguard SN: 562
    Buttplate SN: 9640
    Bayonet lug SN: 62
    Bolt body SN: 2856 f, Armorer's Renumber 562
    Extractor SN: 56
    Safety SN: 56
    Cocking piece SN: 56
    Bolt sleeve SN: 56
    Firing pin SN: 56

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    Great looking Amberg made Gew98 Sam!
    "Don't use your musket if you can kill 'em with your hatchet"

    Major Robert Rogers 1757 Founder of the U.S Army Rangers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior1354 View Post
    Great looking Amberg made Gew98 Sam!
    Thanks Jordan I appreciate it!

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    Pretty nice rifle, and I agree re-barrel, though the barrel fonts are very tight with the receivers. While BC's for early Amberg's are next to nonexistent, perhaps half a dozen "complete" original barrel recordings for the entire pre-war period, the FP, acceptance and BC are later in style.

    But what has me a little baffled is the stock, that stock screams DWM, the C/Y acceptance (wrist/lower) is almost always DWM work, the cypher is Prussian or at least counterstruck Prussian, maybe the stock salvaged off a DWM at Ingolstadt? (I see the 8/M buttplate from other recordings of this rifle); I can't see DWM recycling a Amberg receiver into regular production during 1915/16 (to get this pattern it would have to be applied at a factory or arsenal, depots wouldn't apply a cypher or extensive acceptance), but the stock acceptance is perfect for late 1915 (4 others exactly like it late 15 - early 16, a dozen others with shared characteristics, plus the C/Y is next to inseparable, or a constant, with wartime DWM).

    The only pictures of the internals, show a Bavarian barrel, I assume Ingolstadt's work, doesn't follow the few pre-war patterns or acceptance one would associate with Amberg/04. The stock "seems" unserialed internally, is this true or just the bad photograph? Clearly the stock doesn't look scrubbed of a prior serial, so probably original to this rifle, but why the DWM style acceptance and Prussian cypher?

    What follows are two DWM/15 with near identical stock acceptance patterns, I have nothing close to match among Amberg anything. What struck me at first was the C/Y, which as said before, is almost synonymous with wartime DWM 1915-1916, that and the Prussian cypher which seems out of place on a Bavarian rifle reworked through Ingolstadt (Bavaria). None of this is conclusive, but its pretty strange, Mike took good pictures of the rifle when he bought it in 2004, but they weren't thorough or internal, I have the BC though its pretty poor photography, but decipherable.
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    I owned this rifle, bought it from BruceK in 2003-2004, about the same time Mike bought this Amberg at auction. Back then cameras sucked even though the one I had was a Sony and cost over $1k! I took lousy pictures of the rifle, here are a few of them...

    I think the patterns are next to identical.
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    I have a Amberg 1904 dated Gew 98 Serial number 151; It is mostly all matching except for cleaning rod which is numbered 08 and front band which is numbered 98. It has 3 marks on the butt plate which I don't know what they mean. Above the rifle ser. no on buttplate it looks like a I and under it a F and under the ser. number it looks like a 8. What do these marks mean? Thank you 30thguy
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    Post some photos of them, markings on the butt plate are generally either the serial number or numbers indicating it passed through a depot. It was probably an Ingolstadt rework with the numbers being the personnel who performed the work.

    It would be of interest to everyone here to see the rifle. Especially the photos of the right butt stock, the right receiver, firing proof and barrel code.
    Last edited by mauser1908; 06-19-2019 at 05:26 PM.

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