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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwagon View Post
    Looks amazing. A few minutes with a MIG welder and it could be back in action, but who's the buyer for a kit like that? I assume someone with a SOT would be able to put it back together.
    I agree that it looks amazing! The cut appears very clean, and as you say, “a few minutes with a mig welder...”. I know like nothing when it comes to these parts kits, dewats, and receiver cuts; but I thought that to be legal the receiver needed to be torch cut. And does it need to be cut by anybody, or some agency of authority. Do they still need to be registered? Such pieces as shown are very interesting, but I’m totally in the dark.

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    I'm floating in the deep end here but I 'think' the destruction method in vogue at the moment is what matters. A lot of the senior people at ATF kind of know when things were imported and what the protocol at the time was. I may be way off base but that's why you see such high prices for clean sawcuts, original fully popped barrels, etc. Just can't get that stuff anymore so supply/demand is in play.

    Any gun on the registry is legal to own. Dewats, rewets, tube guns it doesn't matter. Registered good. All else is the domain of SOT guys.
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    The torch cut rules you see are related to imports. This kit is already here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavy_mech View Post
    I'm floating in the deep end here but I 'think' the destruction method in vogue at the moment is what matters. A lot of the senior people at ATF kind of know when things were imported and what the protocol at the time was. I may be way off base but that's why you see such high prices for clean sawcuts, original fully popped barrels, etc. Just can't get that stuff anymore so supply/demand is in play.

    Any gun on the registry is legal to own. Dewats, rewets, tube guns it doesn't matter. Registered good. All else is the domain of SOT guys.
    And now, after reading this thread, and a couple of other threads in this topic, more things come to mind. It’s been talked about how the prices of these firearms have sky rocketed over the years, and are no longer affordable to the common collector; that coupled with the GCA of 68 makes it even a tougher market to collect in. I don’t know the history of the piece in the opening post; but it raised a question for me. How many of these are out there that never got registered before GCA68 (or for that matter, how many came back from Vietnam Nam and Golf Wars), and are now in the possession of people that really can’t do anything with them except either to continue hanging on to them, or risk selling them “under the table”. Wouldn’t a third option be for the firearm to be cut at the receiver and then sold as a parts gun?

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    It’s a grey area to be sure. I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice - but it’s my take.

    The ATF has always said “Once a machinegun, always a machinegun.” In that context, the ATF has published guidance on how to properly destroy them via a torch cutter displacing so much etc. it’s on the atf site so go read it if you’re curious.

    Now, that guidance is for imports, but it’s important to remember that it is the only guidance. So if you comply you have a leg to stand on. If you don’t conform it’s a game of Russian Roulette.

    Unfortunately the majority of the history is on the receiver housing. That can’t be helped, however, the shell is the “firearm” or serialized part - and good news! Quality repro’s are currently for sale.

    So, if one were to own a saw cut parts kit, I would give them this totally not legal advice from not a lawyer: destroy the receiver shell, buy a new production shell and make a semi auto like everyone does with HK’s and Cetme’s etc.

    Or buy stamped guns
    Last edited by mostpeople; 10-19-2019 at 11:32 AM.
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