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    So I just bought this bnz 44 today, itís on itís way to my ffl now. Itís mostly mismatched parts from my understanding, the floor plate and barrel bands match, the receiver has no serial number but the barrel does, and the bolt is mismatched as well. I understand the Germans didnít typically mismatch rifles, but this gun came from a collection of very nice k98ís, no import markings, no signs of capture I can spot. Any help would be appreciated, thanks!

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    Yes sheís all mixed up.

    Receiver was originally a ďlarge fontĒ bnz44. Is right st the point where it could have been a Kriegsmodell, I have a bnz44 q block about 1000 later and is a Kriegsmodell.

    Itís a nice looking rifle, good for learning and shooting!
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    On the plus side though the stock appears to be original, Menzel stock used at Steyr. Welcome to the forum!

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    Thanks for the warm welcome!
    And I agree.. the rifle looks great and the bore has been rated at a 9.5 out of 10 from a reputable seller.
    Were Kreigsmodells ever known to have mismatched parts? Most uncaptured mausers seem to always atleast mostly match. I of course havenít broken the rifle down yet, but it really makes me wonder where this mixmaster couldíve came from, without any evidence of being a capture rifle?

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    [QUOTE=Vz24;275516]Thanks for the warm welcome!
    And I agree.. the rifle looks great and the bore has been rated at a 9.5 out of 10 from a reputable seller.
    Were Kreigsmodells ever known to have mismatched parts? Most uncaptured mausers seem to always atleast mostly match. I of course havenít broken the rifle down yet, but it really makes me wonder where this mixmaster couldíve came from, without any evidence of being a capture rifle?[/QUote

    The rifle did not come from the factory with mis-matched parts. The rifle could well have been imported into the states before the law required import marks. My guess would be the parts were exchanged after it reached the states. This could have happened for multiple reasons. Original parts were misplaced or damaged, and replaced with whatever was available. In years past, matching numbers were not as meaningful to some as they are to most collectors today. If the stock is not original to the rifle, this could be a restored sporter, lots of people enjoy returning modified rifles to military configuration using period and maker correct parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vz24 View Post
    ..I understand the Germans didn’t typically mismatch rifles, but this gun came from a collection of very nice k98’s
    Welcome and nice looking rifle! Despite what some might have you believe the Germans did NOT mismatch rifles. At all. Period. No 'Russians beating down the door' nonsense from the Funshow carnival barkers. Just felt like I needed to get that out there. Certainly there were errors, especially towards the end and Steyr was among the worst but mismatching like this would not have happened.

    As 2 the second part, this was just discussed again recently. There were a lot of big and fairly prestigious collections that had more than a few enhanced or otherwise not correct pieces. I missed this period but apparently ('80?) the trend was bright shiny blue and bleached, bottle blond stocks. Or so they tell me. Anyway your rifle is somewhat representative and with that barrel and bore should be a good shooter. The bolt body and collar at minimum are Radom parts so they are appropriate for a Steyr rifle. Enjoy!

    Wondering if anyone has thoughts on the bolt flat?
    Last edited by heavy_mech; 08-14-2019 at 08:50 AM. Reason: thoughts on bolt flat?
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    Thanks for all the great responses, I figured from my research it’s not something the Germans did. As cool as it would be to say it was done in the field by an armorer, I know the reality is not that. This is my first K98 after searching for the right price for a long time, and I would say to have paid under 1k I feel like it still isn’t too bad of a deal. I especially like the history and rarity of large font bnz 44 rifles, and I plan on spending the big bucks oneday for an early matching example

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