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Amberg Gew98 1917

CLG

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I was asked on another thread to post pictures of my 1917 Amberg Gew. Despite its flaws, this is a favorite of mine. Though the bolt and rod are mismatched ( the bolt is correct however, and the rest of the rifle is completely matching) the overall crispness of the rifle, the dry appearance of the wood, something one looks for in early furniture as an original surface, not to mention I love the figured walnut hand guard on a beech stock. Considering the fact that it a fairly late rifle, the quality that Amberg maintained is amazing.
 

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Last photos: ( the patina on the damage to the stock just in front of the middle band makes me think it happened in service. ) the hand guard matches and there are no markings other than the serial number on the butt plate.
 

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Considering Amberg produced up to 850 rifles per day during that period, it seems pretty difficult to find an all original imperial Amberg1917.
Very nice rifle! Congratulations!
I dare to say that the receiver of your rifle was finished in late January 1917, and the rifle completed in late February. It likely has seen some action during WWI. Not like all those boring, brand new, unissued, unfired, factory pick ups from late WWII, with no history.

As I said in the other thread, more later! :)

Thanks
Wolfgang
 
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Many thanks for the help dating the receiver, I have trouble finding that kind of information for my Imperial rifles. I have an exceptional MO Gew98 dated 1914 # 6390H that I will post when I find it and I am curious if anyone can date the month of production for that rifle.
 
... I have trouble finding that kind of information for my Imperial rifles. ....

I'm afraid it will be very difficult to find that kind of information for any other company. As far as I'm aware, only Amberg used that kind of code for the manufacturing time.

Are there any other markings on the bolt?
Like this one?

Thanks
 

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It is astonishing that you had such a good eye for rifles back in the 1980's... so far every rifle has been exceptional and original. It is rare to have such good judgement today; even with all the aids available, from books to forums one still runs a gauntlet of risks buying a rifle through a dealer or auction house, and fewer still have the knowledge (or recall off-hand, away from resources and notes) to meander through a gun show doing (buying) so well... I can tell shite from shinola these days, but there were few that could in the 1980's.

Regarding the bolt, bolt mismatchers don't come better, short of the original bolt this is the next best thing. Amberg's are some of the finest rifles made during the war, the introduction of the new features occurred very early with them, consistently also, the only variable usually is the stock type, beech was introduced late in 1916 and increasingly became common, but generally no more common than walnut. So, Amberg's are often the nicest wartime rifles you can own, especially later in the war. Comparing equal examples of the same period, different makers the differences can be stark, though to be fair to the Prussians, most of their operations were involved in other more complex weapons, MG's and pistols, - and highly industrial areas, cities like Berlin and Erfurt, had more than their fair share of labor unrest, starting in 1917 it became quite restive and disruptive. Bavaria, outside of the large cities like Munich, labor was far more compliant and manageable.
 
Many thanks for the kind words, collecting in the 60’s through early 80’s was fraught with much less peril than today. Imperial and WW2 pieces were much less likely to have been “improved” then, although bubba was having a field day.
I am far from knowledgeable about the minutia one needs to make good choices today but what I have is a good sense of “originality”. Most of my career was as a museum curator and director with an emphasis on American furniture of the 18th and 19th centuries, and being able to develop an innate sense of whether or not all of the components of a piece, furniture or firearms, belong together, in terms of wear, finish, patina, etc. is a skill set that takes time to develop and mostly entails looking at as many pieces as possible.
I think that initial judgement of originality is vital, but then you do have get down in the details lurking in the weeds and today the weeds are a lot deeper both in terms of faking but also in mastering the depth of today’s remarkable base of knowledge as well. A site like this, and the knowledge you and others bring provides a huge advantage in today’s collecting market that I would have benefited from greatly years ago.
 
Well, you certainly have this innate sense of originality in spades... so far the rifles have all been premium quality. I do agree fraud was less a concern, that the fraud has come as a result of the appreciation in value and desirability, but there were some skilled fraudsters even in the 1980's. Though more among 98k than Imperial, a couple notorious characters some of us older collectors remember, these rifles occasionally surface today, mostly refinish work, which was a problem for P08 collectors also. These days fraud is far more serious and difficult to detect (while most are amateurs, there are a few skilled "practitioners", often flippers, they are more knowledgeable and know to keep it simple, not to get extravagant - this makes it difficult to detect) nuance, subtle differences and or trends (characteristics over a certain date or range) are tools some of us rely upon to beat this new breed of hustlers... luckily Imperials are still "poor cousins" to the trendy 98k and do not draw the same level of attention. The vast majority of hustlers that peddle bad Imperial rifles are easy to catch, - it is a myth that acceptance on Imperials is random, rather to know what is right requires actual research (trends), while not as foolproof dealing with 98k, 9 out of ten times if the pictures are good enough and I have some basic information I can tell what a part came off, - though it can be time consuming because there are several steps involved, the last comparisons once you narrow the possibilities (it is better used to determine something is "right" than its wrong, but generally it is a good tool for both)
 

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