Sorry, but I have some concerns about:
1) dog chain style cleaning chain (probably post war East German)
2) oiler (post war plastic!?)
3) markings on Hülsenkopfwischer (never ever seen something like that!) and shape.
Wolfgang
Have never ever seen any RG34 related parts with real bnz or e/815 stamp.
Wolfgang
PS:
the following makers for RG34 are known:
G.Appel with codes 64, cnx and probably CNX for the 1945 completed Mundlos kits
Braunscheigische Blechwarenfabrik with codes: kh, ky, arr, rco
HAWIG with code: cmr
Mundlos with code: ab and CNX (see G.Appel)
Schlesinger with code. ftd
unknown with code: rbl
some chains and bakelite oilers were made by subcontractors. But nothing close to Steyr.
Paul, the mags, stamped floorplates and followers of 98E and kur (Steyr) marked MP.40 mags are WaA815 inspected, as are the kur stamped loading tools for the MP.40. Any Steyr maker of these parts would be naturally prone to stamping Rg.34 tools IMHO.
That 815 inspection shows up on alot of stamped metal things associated with Steyr:
http://claus.espeholt.dk/mediearkiv/waae.pdf
Guys,
I once owned a Hülsenkopfwischer marked with the bnz shield. I gave it to a member here a looooooooooooong time ago- Sarge. I bet he still has it. I can't remember if it had a waffenamt, but i know it was bnz marked, and it was real. I'll see if I can't get him to post it.
A bnz/1 shield, like on a barrel? What components or accessories have you ever encountered with the bnz/1 shield? Just asking because off hand that sounds a lot less plausible than the waffenamt on the tool.
I'd like to see it too.
Yes, bnz/1 shield marked like on barrels. I'm positive the one I had was original- I've asked Sarge to post it. Wish I had kept it, but at the time I wasn't collecting Steyr or cleaning kits and he collected both...that has changed!
I could take all day detailing errors and correcting how that list was compiled (just starting with waffenamt "1" and how it is outlined tells you all you need to know... it was never associated any firm outside of Chemnitz, and his report is full of such poor associations connecting components to assemblers), but nothing on that list is new (re- the post I made on the MG forum details Graz known production- http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?3099-Steyr-MG42-production&p=24963#post24963) except the cleaning kits. Which Wolfgang and I have discussed before, on this forum sometime ago:
http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?1524-Tools-cleaning-kits-screwdrivers-ect.&p=10389#post10389
I asked him about Steyr Graz involvement, and the unsubstantiated reports of cans and parts, because Wolfgang knows more about the RG-34 than anyone I know, and was curious if his opinion had changed. I agree with him, the tool is very likely not authentic.
Not that its much help, but I found two old ebay auctions out of Europe, one reporting a can marked KY 1939 with both WaA442 and WaA815 and another with a can only marked WaA815. No pics though.
Another 815 spoon snatched from GunBoards. The spoon is different from Bill's, but the stamp is the same. I'm not sure I like it.
I won't say no, But I'm not impressed with the spoon shown by RyanE. It seems unlikely that the eagle style on the WaA would have changed like that, but??? It is also an earlier version of the spoon.
The spoon I got from Farb - YES, I still have it - is near identical to the one Bill shows. The difference is that mine is stamped with the spoon laying in the oposite direction. The right wing on mine is not so distinct, But the shield/bnz is much more clear and complete. The number below the bnz is not clear, only the top got stamped, But it is Not a 1, it is either a 2 or a 3 - can't see the bottom 2/3 of it.
No photos available as my camera died some time ago and I haven't gotten around to repairing or replacing it.
I agree that I also think this is an original item. Spoon style says late war and it may be that Steyr started making them because someone else got bombed out or some such?
Sarge
It is not only the Hülsenkopfwischer I do not like.
Plastic oilers and dog chain style cleaning chains only show up in post war reissued RGs. The dog chains usually in RGs reissued with the NVA (East German Army), together with the aluminum oiler. If the oiler is war time, it should be marked. (see photos)
The manufacturers of the RG already had subcontractors for chains, oilers and Hülsenkopfwischer in 1941. No need for Steyr to jump in.
I do not say it is a fake, since I could not proof this. But with more than 200 RGs in my own collection and another hundrets I had in my hands, I dare to say that I have serious concerns.
Wolfgang