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CGH Tragedy

chrisftk

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Hi All,

I picked this rifle up if for no other reason that I needed a CGH to complete my Suhl set. Matching metal, but appears to be a probable sporter rescue. While most of my stuff is proper grade, I'm a sucker for poor abused rifles if they are rarer makers.

The Good:
-Original finish
-Matching bolt, tg assembly, screws, etc.
-It's a CGH

The Bad:
- Bubba bolt bend
- Drilled/tapped for a peep sight on the receiver near the bolt handle.
-stock/bands are replacement (though damn close SN on the stock -- 1898 vs 1858 receiver #)
- Stock was sanded
Some light vise marks on the receiver ring (maybe from drilling and tapping.)

Even with the issues, I like it. Most likely will complete the restoration and hold onto this until I find a bolt mm or better to match my other Suhlers.
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I like it too, - it is difficult to not like one of the Suhl makers, so many similarities but individualistic also.

Stock looks 1398, so probably not a factory error, - generally disapprove of reliance upon such crutches anyway, that so few exist in Imperial era "factory" rifles suggests that 98k instances should be viewed more critically also.. besides mismatched is mismatched, to the degree it is more obvious (acceptance conflict etc..) the more a problem it is.

Can you make out the acceptance on the barrel, C/B C/B / C/Q? Same for the bolt bottom flat, C/B? The combinations are important due to the fact that each factory seemingly had dedicated inspectors within ranges, C/B primarily relates to CGH; C/Q seemingly worked JPS barrels, which means he did almost all Consortium barrels, - just a theory but I think inspectors in this period were more hands on and involved that in the NS era, pre-war the diversity is caused by they being more involved and moving around. We see this in the Republic also, I guess this was to keep enough qualified men so that if war came they could take over supervisory and training roles. This seems to be the case in the NS era, where former Republican inspectors are seen at start-ups and in brief period, sometimes accompanying rather new inspectors. Several former Simson inspectors (also sometimes seen on WuK bayonets) are seen in such instances, - e/46 and e/81 for example.

***BTW, this is very late 1917 production, there are a couple reports of r-blocks, but no confirmation, but that JPS went to the 9000 q block suggests r-blocks are probable, or possible anyway.
 
I like it too, - it is difficult to not like one of the Suhl makers, so many similarities but individualistic also.

Stock looks 1398, so probably not a factory error, - generally disapprove of reliance upon such crutches anyway, that so few exist in Imperial era "factory" rifles suggests that 98k instances should be viewed more critically also.. besides mismatched is mismatched, to the degree it is more obvious (acceptance conflict etc..) the more a problem it is.

Can you make out the acceptance on the barrel, C/B C/B / C/Q? Same for the bolt bottom flat, C/B? The combinations are important due to the fact that each factory seemingly had dedicated inspectors within ranges, C/B primarily relates to CGH; C/Q seemingly worked JPS barrels, which means he did almost all Consortium barrels, - just a theory but I think inspectors in this period were more hands on and involved that in the NS era, pre-war the diversity is caused by they being more involved and moving around. We see this in the Republic also, I guess this was to keep enough qualified men so that if war came they could take over supervisory and training roles. This seems to be the case in the NS era, where former Republican inspectors are seen at start-ups and in brief period, sometimes accompanying rather new inspectors. Several former Simson inspectors (also sometimes seen on WuK bayonets) are seen in such instances, - e/46 and e/81 for example.

***BTW, this is very late 1917 production, there are a couple reports of r-blocks, but no confirmation, but that JPS went to the 9000 q block suggests r-blocks are probable, or possible anyway.
Thanks Paul- The SN seemed pretty late, but wasn't sure what the high water mark for the consortium was.

The barrel upon closer inspection with a magnifying glass is C/B, C/B, C/Q. The bolt flat is C/B. I found the C/RC out of tolerance/reworked bolt marking interesting as well. IIRC, it's the only one of my Gew 98s with a bolt so marked. I've seen it more on Erfurt Kar98as.



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Thanks, very helpful! Not sure how common C/RC is on bolts, not many bolts are recorded, people rarely get the shot and this feature is lean in the trends. Still, Erfurt picked up quite a few C/RC's through the war years, probably more than Danzig, though the 98a is a tougher rifle to make? Or seemingly so...
 

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