It has an Mp8 which I know is a Spanish arsenal marking but it still retains German markings. I was specifically looking for a Spanish civil war used rifle but I want to get more familiar with the German markings. As a rework i believe its all correct except for the upper handguard which may be a Spanish arsenal replacement or was changed sometime in civilian hands. Apologies if this is the wrong thread to post in.
Need info on Danzig 1917 stock markings
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It has an Mp8 which I know is a Spanish arsenal marking but it still retains German markings. I was specifically looking for a Spanish civil war used rifle but I want to get more familiar with the German markings. As a rework i believe its all correct except for the upper handguard which may be a Spanish arsenal replacement or was changed sometime in civilian hands. Apologies if this is the wrong thread to post in.
The top marking is the cypher, the Prussian King, who was also the Kaiser. The Crowned/D looks suspicious to me, odd anyway, they did use Latin letters late in the war, so it could be ok, but the other acceptance stamps would be a place to start for an analysis (original maker-date of the rifle the stock came from).
As for the SCW, a fascinating subject that could occupy your life for years, - it is possibly the most distorted conflict of the first half of the twentieth century, as much due to socialistic "liberals" like Hemingway and Orwell propagandizing the "Republican/Loyalist" cause (far left or full communistic is a better label for them... legitimate they never were, their political accession to power were full of political gimmicks and violence/assassinations to achieve power, hardly a free election...) as the demonization of Franco and the Nationalist alliance.
As for small arms used during that conflict, little is known with certainty regarding the intricate details, - all of the activity was illegal and the small arms came from so many places it boggles the mind. Even Yugoslavia and Greece played a significant role, ironically Greece with its rather friendly relationship to Germany supplied "German" rifles to the Republican forces, - apparently the Greeks never really change, as is often pointed out throughout Greece's history Greeks would fight (mercenaries) for anyone, even fighting other Greeks, Spanish gold was enough for them to smuggle German rifles to a government they could have had nothing but contempt for...
As for the SCW, a fascinating subject that could occupy your life for years, - it is possibly the most distorted conflict of the first half of the twentieth century, as much due to socialistic "liberals" like Hemingway and Orwell propagandizing the "Republican/Loyalist" cause (far left or full communistic is a better label for them... legitimate they never were, their political accession to power were full of political gimmicks and violence/assassinations to achieve power, hardly a free election...) as the demonization of Franco and the Nationalist alliance.
As for small arms used during that conflict, little is known with certainty regarding the intricate details, - all of the activity was illegal and the small arms came from so many places it boggles the mind. Even Yugoslavia and Greece played a significant role, ironically Greece with its rather friendly relationship to Germany supplied "German" rifles to the Republican forces, - apparently the Greeks never really change, as is often pointed out throughout Greece's history Greeks would fight (mercenaries) for anyone, even fighting other Greeks, Spanish gold was enough for them to smuggle German rifles to a government they could have had nothing but contempt for...
Here are the only other markings i saw on the stock. Are there other key areas where they would be marked? I will pull out the rifle next time to re examine anything i may have missed. Most parts match except the stock and barrel bands and if im not mistaken barrel bands not matching is common on these reworks.One thing to note is the buttplate matches the receiver so that leads me to believe that the stock has been with the rifle since rework. Or i can be completely wrong and perhaps the original stock was sporterised so they took the matching buttplate and put it on the replacement stock. So many possibilities but I am a novice especially on Gewehrs.
The most valuable marking on a stock is the acceptance at the wrist, at the small of the stock, this is most stable of the three acceptance stamps and is often the best to speculate over the rifle maker. The buttplate can offer clues, but only if it matches the stock serial number. SCW and subsequent reworks tend to be mismatchers, so often we are dealing with parts individually. Not sure if this is due to Spanish ordnance work or the importer "machinations" to make them more marketable. Many of these rifles were chopped up to satisfy a fickle market in the US, typically ruining any modern concept of value (destroying originality... which does seem to have its own following as evidenced by the market for rc's, - obviously some people will buy anything..)
Does the stock serial match the rifle (barreled receiver) serial? What parts match the receiver serial number? Any??
Does the stock serial match the rifle (barreled receiver) serial? What parts match the receiver serial number? Any??
Bolt,receiver,barrel,buttplate, and floorplate match.The screws are numbered but unmatching and the rear sight base is marked S/42K but the rear sight is marked S/42G Im fairly certain the stock is numbered differently but they are faint and I think the stock numbers are “2232”. There is no sporterization as far as I can tell. The barrel is not chopped but the finish im not sure if it was the Spanish who refinished it or the commercial market.I know Spanish Civil War used Gewehrs dont commend a ton of value and they are grouped along with Rc’s but personally I take interest in Spanish Mausers and the Mauser history between Spain and Germany is in my opinion very interesting from the 1893 Loewe Berlin Mausers to to the Gewehr 98’s. I also have Spanish ancestry so call me a little biased
SCW rifles can be quite worthwhile, I have seen a handful weren't molested by the importer. Others i suspect have a Spanish past also... The relationship between Germany and Spain is very interesting, I totally agree, in both World Wars they managed to stay neutral and largely played it fair (and intelligently), - under incredible pressure at times from the "Allies". One can only wonder the horror that would have visited Spain had the Republicans won, in all probability they would have joined the Allies and Hitler would have gobbled them up too.. Nationalist were wise enough to stay on the sideline and watch it play out, really the only sane thing to do if you had the option (which many didn't)
Bolt,receiver,barrel,buttplate, and floorplate match.The screws are numbered but unmatching and the rear sight base is marked S/42K but the rear sight is marked S/42G Im fairly certain the stock is numbered differently but they are faint and I think the stock numbers are “2232”. There is no sporterization as far as I can tell. The barrel is not chopped but the finish im not sure if it was the Spanish who refinished it or the commercial market.I know Spanish Civil War used Gewehrs dont commend a ton of value and they are grouped along with Rc’s but personally I take interest in Spanish Mausers and the Mauser history between Spain and Germany is in my opinion very interesting from the 1893 Loewe Berlin Mausers to to the Gewehr 98’s. I also have Spanish ancestry so call me a little biased
