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    Is that a scope you have in your pocket?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackpowderresearcher View Post
    This is from the collection of the Imperial War Museum. To me it appears to be a sporterised K98. The receiver has a thumbcut for the stripper clip. Additionally there is no external magazine like that on the Ross or SMLE.

    I'd like to have the perspective of the experts from this board.

    In regards to what scope is on the Rifle IMHO it appears the mostly likely candidate is Zeiss Zielacht 8X . I would also point out that 8X Scopes were not accepted by Heer 6X was Maximum Magnification accepted

    I have seen many period photo of German Soldiers with such Civilian Hunting type Scoped Rifles so why is it so hard to believe this is nothing more than a Confiscated Civilian Hunting Rifle ??? Firearms were confiscated from the Civilian Populous by the Liberating Forces and many civilians were hunters and had Scoped Rifles and a Scoped Rifle would be great addition to any platoon .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absolut View Post
    Once again: why should a soldier turn it into a "sniper rifle"? At that time it was nothing uncommon that a hunting rifle has a scope. Additionally that scope is not military, neither is the scope mount, so where would a soldier be getting a commercial scope and a commercial mount and have these fitted to a commercial rifle himself? This doesn't make any sense at all. It is just a commercial hunting rifle which made its way into the hands of British soldiers, nothing more or less.
    +1. There were a lot of commercial made hunting rifles made in the 1930's by a number of well respected British, German and Austrian gunsmiths. These are typically very well made rifles. Based on the front sight of the rifle in the picture, I'd say that's what it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by GEM View Post
    Very early in the war the german government requested donations of scoped hunting rifles for sniper use.
    It was not early war but mid war, 1942 time frame. And they didn't want rifles, they purchased specific rifles scopes from the civilian population, not just any scope. It is referred to as the Jagerspende Program.

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    I have a friend that has a German sporter made between the wars. It is not an 8x57 but 8.15x46R I think. The bore was .318 so he had to size bullets down to be able to reload, this was some years ago. I would think that trying to use a Civilian rifle would be complicated by not being able to obtain ammo since there were several other types.

    I would bet it is a nice sporter that was picked up out of a pile of weapons that the locals surrendered. We all have seen pics of these civilian surrendered weapons.

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    I had a CZ commercial Mauser 98 Small Ring rifle in Stutzen configuration in 8x57 IS caliber that was commercially proofed in 1943 which still has had a Zeiss Zielacht scope fitted with Suhler Claw Mount. And I still have a Germania Waffenwerke AG Mauser 98 Large Ring action sporter (without scope, but highly engraved) in 7x64 caliber which if I remember correctly was commercially proofed in 1942. Despite of war hunting rifles were still made, both with and without scopes and in various calibers.

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    Man Id love to see that Model 21, Ive been looking for a wartime rifle, they are difficult to find. Agreed on the .318, used all the way through the war and beyond on the commercial side. This rifle below is the latest I have, Oct 1943, but rifles were certainly still made all the way through 1945. Even Oberndorf still built a handful in 1945, 1944 was a couple hundred and the numbers go up the earlier you look naturally.
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