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    Quote Originally Posted by pzjgr View Post
    Lets be real here, a S/147/K will never truly be worth $16k...period.

    Now maybe some dumbass with more money than brains may buy it at that...but that is an anomaly...
    I agree with that too. I would like to know who the people are spending the money. Doubtful it is the high end Winchester buyer.

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    Unfortunately there will always be people with more money than sense. Was talking to a good friend of mine last night that just sold a really nice k98k to a millionaire. I basically asked what kind did you sell he told me a 1937 27 code. He told me it was all matching and in really nice condition I thought he sold it for maybe $2,500 but then he told me he sold it to this guy for $5,200. I was basically flabbergasted. And I asked why did you sell it for that price. The answer I got was I thought that was a good price for how nice it was and finding an early Erma like that is not easy.

    True but I would never pay that kind funds for a rifle like that.
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    Default Rising Prices..

    Love this thread, best I’ve read in short time I’ve been here. I’m not a serious collector, just like old rifles w/wood stocks, more so if made in Germany (as was I, Cold War US Army brat). I’ve only looked at GB in the last 1 year, & have noticed an escalation in asked prices in that short span. Worse, (from my viewpoint) is that the pricing madness is creeping out into anything vaguely similar to a K98k rifle. DEFINITELY bad for hobby!

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Blue View Post
    ..because you were bidding on it...”I figured it was worth something.”
    I had the exact same thing happen. Not for big bucks but that's literally why he bid when I bid.
    "Wen Tausend einen Mann erschlagen, das ist nicht Ruhm, das ist nicht Ehre, denn beinsen wird's in späteren tagen gesiegt hat doch das Deutsch Heer. Podest nicht die Paten der Soldaten doner die da Sterben sollen, soll man geben was sie wollen, sahs sie Herzen, sahs sie Küssen, den sie wissen nicht wann sie sterben müssen"

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavy_mech View Post
    I had the exact same thing happen. Not for big bucks but that's literally why he bid when I bid.
    Friend of mine told me a little trick when you go to an auction when you see stuff that are worth anything or if you are interested in them. He told me when you look at the items come early and give them kind of a once-over and when people are there looking at you as you're looking at the items. Kind of click your tongue and go man it's a shame and put the weapon down as fast as you saw it. They will think you saw something wrong with it.

    Next when you start bidding don't sit in the front row sit in the back somewhere if you win the item change locations to bid on something else. There are people that specifically watch for items that the same person is buying and we'll bid against you because they know you know what it is.


    When the bidding does finally happen when you're changing locations and bidding they have no clue who's buying this stuff. He told me hell if you have to go get a hot dog and stand in the back row to win an item to get it alot cheaper so the Sharks don't try to run it up on you why not
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    I don't see these old rifles going the way of Model Ts as a collector item, where the old generation looking to sell met a likely permanent drop in collector demand. If too many people look to get out of milsurps at the same time, prices may reflect that. Humping of German guns is a huge problem, but even humpers of German stuff have only so much raw material with which to work. In my opinion the situation is much much worse with M1 rifles and carbines, where the number of "all original WW2 guns" seems to go up all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by togor View Post
    In my opinion the situation is much much worse with M1 rifles and carbines, where the number of "all original WW2 guns" seems to go up all the time.
    "Correcting" is the new humping, and it's a snap since almost nothing is serial numbered. It's basically like playing with Legos, just snap together the right parts.

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    That was my biggest flaw with the GCA the Garand Collectors Association I thought it was a great Association but they encourage correcting rifles. I have one original wartime M1 rifle in my collection that was made in late 1944. The entire rifle matches the finishing color and wear pattern seen on all the parts but there's a catch the bolt that is it was made in early of 1945. I had so many Garand collectors tell me I should swap that bolt out even though the bolt wear matches the overall rifle. And it would make sense even though this is a late production 1944 made rifle it may have been completed early in 1945.

    But that right there shows this gun is all original but still someone thinks I should swap a part out.
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    The PI Garands currently sold by the CMP are a boon to correctors and may well render meaningless the idea of an original WW2 M1 Rifle, unless that rifle has some provenance. Unrefinished WW2 parts are in abundance in those guns.

    I have a M1 Carbine. Inland, SN <20K. All early parts on it, high wood stock that might be from late '42. Generally looks like it went through the war and wasn't messed with except possibly some incidental swapping in service. It's a nice gun that does not scream "put-together". I hope it hangs onto its monetary value. If not well I guess it's only money, and while I own it it's still a nice carbine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior1354 View Post
    That was my biggest flaw with the GCA the Garand Collectors Association I thought it was a great Association but they encourage correcting rifles. I have one original wartime M1 rifle in my collection that was made in late 1944. The entire rifle matches the finishing color and wear pattern seen on all the parts but there's a catch the bolt that is it was made in early of 1945. I had so many Garand collectors tell me I should swap that bolt out even though the bolt wear matches the overall rifle. And it would make sense even though this is a late production 1944 made rifle it may have been completed early in 1945.

    But that right there shows this gun is all original but still someone thinks I should swap a part out.
    Thus why I don't collect American. I don't know enough to tell the difference between original and swapped and not sure many truly can tell the difference. I would rather collect rifles that have many serialized parts the more the better. Part of the reason I don't care much for the late war K98k. Much rather have 1939-40.

    Another note on pricing admittedly I was being a wise ass I messaged seller on GunBroker who has a WWII Lithgow listed with poor pics and poor description. Can see in pics bolt and receiver match. Nothing in description. Starting bid $600.

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/844776985

    So my message was rifle must surely have all matching parts for that price.

    He responded no just bolt and receiver. If it was all matching it would be a lot more. This isn't 2003 Milsurps have gone up.

    My response was oh would it sell for a lot more? Then I sent link of completed auction of a much nicer all matching WWII Lithgow (that I dropped out of) which sold for $540.

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/845097185

    and replied it isn't 2017, prices have come down since then.

    I don't think He was very happy with me.

    Moral is old timers who are trying to sell now missed the boat. Just because grey blanket got $700 doesn't mean theirs is worth $900 because it is nicer. They don't have magic grey blankets.

    Also what happened to GunBroker charging for excessive relistings?





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