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    Quote Originally Posted by morticianman1990 View Post
    Here's some "better" decal pictures. Still not great but definitely better than my phone.
    Have you posted this on any other forums that deal with original SS lids?

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    SS decals are the toughest of the toughest to verify. I’m no expert at all but I’d bet a good many lids with SS decals are given a thumbs down not because they’re necessarily incorrect but many “experts” just can’t determine positively that they are good or positively that they are bad. Here’s my supposed SS lid with remains of its decal. This one is just too hard to tell. Sure, it does look like the decal has been “exposed” in order to be better seen but that doesn’t make it an absolute bad one nor an absolute good one. The size and lot numbers on this one are clear to the eye and it does fall right in where a batch of SS helmets are. That’s still not 100%. So it is what it is (unproven to be good or bad) and was priced according and was the only one I was willing to spring for. I’m comfortable that it is legit but “experts” will have varying opinions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sturmgrenadier View Post
    Have you posted this on any other forums that deal with original SS lids?
    I bought it from WAF e-trader and no one made a thread about it. It was up for a decent bit I believe. The issue is tt really can't be "verified" to the helmet considering the oxidation covering the makere mark. If I get even better pictures of the decal and it can be said it is an original decal because of x, y, and it could still be argued it might not be original to the helmet. At the end of the day I bought the helmet because I liked how it looked and the decal is in decent shape comparatively. The guy I bought it from provided really close images from a borescope or something that showed the rust permeating through the decal. Maybe I can get this effect using a magnifying glass of some kind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Burke View Post
    SS decals are the toughest of the toughest to verify. I’m no expert at all but I’d bet a good many lids with SS decals are given a thumbs down not because they’re necessarily incorrect but many “experts” just can’t determine positively that they are good or positively that they are bad. Here’s my supposed SS lid with remains of its decal. This one is just too hard to tell. Sure, it does look like the decal has been “exposed” in order to be better seen but that doesn’t make it an absolute bad one nor an absolute good one. The size and lot numbers on this one are clear to the eye and it does fall right in where a batch of SS helmets are. That’s still not 100%. So it is what it is (unproven to be good or bad) and was priced according and was the only one I was willing to spring for. I’m comfortable that it is legit but “experts” will have varying opinions.


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    That's a cool lid man! Yeah, the "experts" will always argue over stuff like this and I understand. It's a bit of a racket but I suppose there's so many fakes out there it's better for them to say "it can't be proven correct" and save face vs. leading someone into getting burned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merrick4 View Post
    I would think the leather would not last all these years outside.

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    No way the liner is original to the lid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberg View Post
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    No way the liner is original to the lid.
    I'm not seeing anything wrong with the liner to be honest?

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    For anyone curious about the SS-TV story, all he had to say was it was found 15-20 years ago outside Leningrad and the SS-TV were the only SS in that location. If anyone can prove or disprove that claim I'd like to hear!

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    If the decal follows the contours of the rust pits you can be sure it was applied later. As the previous poster said, use a USB microscope or some other such magnifier to look more closely. From what I can see it looks like it was applied over the rust pits.

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    The presumption with anything SS is that it’s bad. The artifact must prove itself original. The SS artifact is never to be accepted as original unless proved fake. No artifact is.
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    To me the decal on the helmet that started this thread looks like a round bottom fake. Hard to say for sure from the pictures. All SS decals should have a break at the bottom border. Some fakes have a round transition of the border at the lowest point which gives them away.
    Also liner is thorn, but not dried or rotten as it should be from the exposure if any left of it at all.

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