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swede1894

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I have a Mauser Oberndorf 8.15x46mm target rifle with a plaque in the stock...just wondering if anyone might be able to translate its meaning?

thank you in advance for the help!!!

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Gestiftet von S.S.M. Max II.
Max Luckner
1938/39.

translates as

Donated by S.S.M. Max II.
Max Luckner
1938/39.

No idea what the SSM Max II is, Max Luckner is a name, either he donated it and SSM Max II is a „title“, or he was the one who won the rifle.
 
I would dismiss any association with Willi Luckner, head of the German Police Officer Association. No logical connection.
One question. Is your Mauser perhaps one of the T.St.V. marked target rifles? Can you tell us the serial number?
The initials S.S.M. Max II sounds like the name of a ship?
 
SSM = SS-Mann

Name für ein Mitglied der SS
 
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SS documents like personnel files refer to the entry rank of the SS as SS-Mann. The inscription reads S.S.M. not SS.M. or anything else. Luckner's name was Willi Luckner as shown in many issues of the police magazine Die Deutsche Polizei, not Max. In 1938/39 he was an Oberführer rank, not SS-Mann.

I posed this question on the Militaria Fundforum.de and one suggested S.(?) Schutzen Meister Max II.
 
stock plaque translation help

thank you for the information

the receiver crest is the mauser banner not one of the T.St.V. marked rifles

the serial number is 120659
 
JoeW said:
SS documents like personnel files refer to the entry rank of the SS as SS-Mann. The inscription reads S.S.M. not SS.M. or anything else. Luckner's name was Willi Luckner as shown in many issues of the police magazine Die Deutsche Polizei, not Max. In 1938/39 he was an Oberführer rank, not SS-Mann.
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swede1894 said:
thank you for the information

the receiver crest is the mauser banner not one of the T.St.V. marked rifles

the serial number is 120659
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It was a theory of mine and I think too of the late Denny G that the 1000 rifles provided to the Tirol Standschutzen Verband (T.ST.V.) were in the thousand produced from 120,000 to 120,999, but Mauser left of the first digit so the serial could fit under the T.ST.V. There are a couple full serial numbers that have shown up like yours without the initials. 120679 was also reported.

Are there any remnants of paper tags found on the stock?
 
Luckner's real name was Franz Max "willi" Luckner
the Willi was more of a name among friends.
 
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alterpapa said:
Luckner's real name was Franz Max "willi" Luckner
the Willi was more of a name among friends.

To explain that to the SS man.
SS men were everyone at the SS regardless of their rank.
First, only the affiliation counts - then the rank.
It's not about the military.
I had many conversations with former SS men (Waffen SS)

The regular SS saw itself as a brotherhood, and everyone was equally important
So it may be that a foundation is given without a rank to show that the others are worth as much.


you can only understand everything if you know something like that - it is not in any books or on the Internet.

One said to me personally:
"once SS always SS"

I'm staying out of here now.
Greetings from Germany

16. SS-Panzergrenadier-Division „Reichsführer SS“

the picture is from a book about the division and he proudly showed it to me



i spoke to him too, he had to visit sepp dietrich many years ago while hunting
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shooterike, is it you? Are you back?
What a nonsense!
 
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Amberg said:
shooterike, is it you? Are you back?
What a nonsense!
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that's impolite


But as a German with personal contact to German veterans, I like to be told by an American how it really was.
 
ich hatte schon geschrieben ich halte mich hier raus,

so Diskussion die ins Leere führen sind unnütze Zeit für mich.

dann lassen wir den Unsinn mal so als Unsinn hingestellt

viele Grüße Michael
 
alterpapa said:
ich hatte schon geschrieben ich halte mich hier raus,

so Diskussion die ins Leere führen sind unnütze Zeit für mich.

dann lassen wir den Unsinn mal so als Unsinn hingestellt

viele Grüße Michael
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Another extrapolation of a suggestion from Germany:

Gestiftit von Standschützen Seine Majestät Max II
Max Lechner
(Meister) 1938/39

Presented by Standschützen His Majesty Max II
Max Lechner
(Champion) 1938/39
 
JoeW said:
Another extrapolation of a suggestion from Germany:

Gestiftit von Standschützen Seine Majestät Max II
Max Lechner
(Meister) 1938/39

Presented by Standschützen His Majesty Max II
Max Lechner
(Champion) 1938/39
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His Majesty Max (Maximilian) II., was Bavarian King from 1848 - 1864

The abbreviation "SSM" does not make any sense in German language. Sorry!
PS: ok, there is one:
Kongregation der Schwestern von der Schmerzhaften Mutter = Congregation of the Sisters of the Painful Mother
 
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Amberg said:
His Majesty Max (Maximilian) II., was Bavarian King from 1848 - 1864

The abbreviation "SSM" does not make any sense in German language. Sorry!
PS: ok, there is one:
Kongregation der Schwestern von der Schmerzhaften Mutter = Congregation of the Sisters of the Painful Mother
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I'm only passing on a suggestion from the Waffen Forum of Militaria Fundforum. So it is a fake dedication plate?
 
JoeW said:
..... So it is a fake dedication plate?
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Well, yes that was my first thought.
But I'm not an expert on stuff like that. I simply do not like the material and the engraving. Not to talk about the mysterious meaning of the engraving.
"Absolut" is from Austria and did not have an explanation. I'm from Germany and do not have an explanation either.
Maybe Swiss? I really do not know.
But I do not like what I see. Sorry!
 
I have already mentioned on the MFF that my suspicion would be S... SchützenMeister Max II, maybe like "Stuttgarter SchützenMeister Max II.", so the winner from last year shooting match who donated the rifle, and below again his name because he himself won it again. But this is just a wild guess if I was to make a suggestion.

It would definitely be helpful to see more of the rifle.
 
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