Nazi Era P08 Collection

S/42 1936 (MM side plate, re-blue)
Krieghoff 1937
42 1939 (Bakelite grips correct?)
Byf 1941 (Blackwidow)
Byf 1942 (Blackwidow)

agentcq said:

S/42 1936 (MM side plate, re-blue)
Krieghoff 1937
42 1939 (Bakelite grips correct?)
Byf 1941 (Blackwidow)
Byf 1942 (Blackwidow)

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Nice spread! Black grips became authorized in 1939. Roughly 2% of guns left the factory in 1939 and 1940 with black grips. In regard to the pistol, there’s six types of black Bakelite grips that roughly correspond progressively with timeframe. It’s still being studied at this point. However with the short span of time most of what you see are type six grips floating around on guns. Those would be correct for a 41 or 42 dated gun but not for a 39 or 40. Now with the black widow craze you can imagine everyone and their brother was slapping black grips on 39-42 dated pistols which completely muddied the waters and made it tough to trend. To further complicate it, those were common replacements form repair and appear on really any pistol from the era.

It hurts looking at Lugers in Canada with all the barrels changed, but the first looks original except for the refinish.


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mrfarb said:

It hurts looking at Lugers in Canada with all the barrels changed, but the first looks original except for the refinish.


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It’s why I won’t own one. Sad state of affairs.

I just got the bottom four back today. It really hurt doing what I did, but I didn’t have many options. I’ve told the story before but I had four P08’s and two MP44’s in their original state that were owned by me but stored at a gun store where I worked part time. Sadly they went out of business and to recover any financial investment my options were limited. Exporting or re-barreling the P08’s and I’ve gotten tired of seeing all our good P08’s going south to the USA and sadly one MP44 was part kitted and the other DEWATd. I’ve been waiting 2+ years on the P08’s and in the DEWAT MP44 which should be here this weekend. Financially and historically it may have been better to sell to the USA, but nevertheless it leaves me with a decent “Canadian Collection”.

Knowing the destruction of a 1937 Krieghoff was part of the deal is what kills me. I guess a lost rare collectible is worth it to keep it in your possession, I could never do that. The others? Meh, but that Krieghoff........


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mrfarb said:

Knowing the destruction of a 1937 Krieghoff was part of the deal is what kills me. I guess a lost rare collectible is worth it to keep it in your possession, I could never do that. The others? Meh, but that Krieghoff........

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The Horror .....

Barrel ?

mrfarb said:

Knowing the destruction of a 1937 Krieghoff was part of the deal is what kills me. I guess a lost rare collectible is worth it to keep it in your possession, I could never do that. The others? Meh, but that Krieghoff........


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Not familiar with the regulation...barrel change???

I would never destroy an item to keep it...

I’ll let a Canadian fill in the blanks but basically original barrels are too short to be kept as unrestricted, so the only option is to replace the barrel with a slightly longer version.


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Americans reactivate Dewats by re-welding registered cut machine guns receivers and/or build new Semi Auto only machine guns from brand new receivers. The horror...

I’ve got a few P08’s with 5mm longer barrels too, and SSD reproductions, and TNW reproductions. I can’t own the real thing for some items and selling everything to the US so that we get nothing up here in Syrup Mexico seems retarded.

Andrew, you once owned a *gasp* destroyed TNW MG34 before too...?

I like them “destroyed” Lugers we got.

I’ll go console myself with my 3 original SVT40 snipers and my crate of infantry SVT40s... Some down south will poopoo them with their “destroyed” magazines too I suppose?

Desert_Faux said:

Americans reactivate Dewats by re-welding registered cut machine guns receivers and/or build new Semi Auto only machine guns from brand new receivers. The horror...

I’ve got a few P08’s with 5mm longer barrels too, and SSD reproductions, and TNW reproductions. I can’t own the real thing for some items and selling everything to the US so that we get nothing up here in Syrup Mexico seems retarded.

Andrew, you once owned a *gasp* destroyed TNW MG34 before too...?

I like them “destroyed” Lugers we got.

I’ll go console myself with my 3 original SVT40 snipers and my crate of infantry SVT40s... Some down south will poopoo them with their “destroyed” magazines too I suppose?

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Alrighty then. We were talking specifically about a very valuable 1937 Krieghoff Luger. Good for you on the rest, he have the same repros but we also have privately owned mg’s. I don’t really think you want to get into a pissing match about who gets cooler guns.


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Economics

mrfarb said:

Alrighty then. We were talking specifically about a very valuable 1937 Krieghoff Luger. Good for you on the rest, he have the same repros but we also have privately owned mg’s. I don’t really think you want to get into a pissing match about who gets cooler guns.


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I can't understand why you would take a valuable asset....basically destroy it so you could keep it. Sell it at full original configuration value and use the money to buy other things...

Never implied that we have “cooler” guns, just different selections, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

PS: Some of us are dual citizens with access to machine guns down yer way as well.

I prefer the frozen wastelands of the North. Not a big fan of heat, humidity, hurricanes, large bugs and snakes... etc

“Destroyed” Krieghoff P08... So if you guys can’t have em, no one can?

I realize I’m not gonna win any pissing match here, especially on this collectors forum, but I just think your view is narrow. I understand it from your point of view, but for many dirty Canucks, this is our option. Many of us don’t view it as “destroying” history either as most of the original prohibited class Lugers will NEVER make it down south and will be sent to the smelter once the owner dies etc. By making it “restricted” instead of “prohibited” class, at least there is a possibility of younger Canadian gun owners getting to play with them in the future.

It was a rare and valuable Krieghoff. Now it is a rare and valuable Krieghoff with a replaced barrel on the Canadian market, which is where I currently reside. I realize that the international value has been lost. However, I can still get more for it on the Canadian market as it sits than what I paid for it.

I’m not picking fights, I like the Luger and wanted to keep it and I had to abide by draconian Laws created by a gun fearing government. I had to pay to play and one of the only ways to get German short barrel P08’s out of the Prohibited Class (Grandfathered Class) is to get the barrel replaced with a barrel which is 5mm longer. Often by doing this it actually increases the value of the handgun by 2-3 fold as you open it to a wider market and they are not seen as being destroyed.

In contrast, maybe I’ll take pictures of my Swiss Lugers as they have longer barrels and don’t have any modifications, unlike the “destroyed” import marked ones on the US collectors market. How Americans can destroy Swiss Lugers with import markings just so they can own them is beyond me. Why not sell to markets where such destruction doesn’t have to take place????

Obvious sarcasm in the above paragraph. People will mark, modify and DEWAT Firearms around the world if such modifications are required for ownership. I agree that un-modified versions are preferred, but I like my Krieghoff and enjoy it and I’ll never shite on any members Import Marked gun on this forum either.

I did throw out all options on this Forum prior to starting the re-barrelling process about two years ago and I didn’t have any purchase interest or purchase offers on these pieces. This lack of interest also motivated my decision making.

“Money talks while bullshit walks”.

agentcq said:

I did throw out all options on this Forum prior to starting the re-barrelling process about two years ago and I didn’t have any purchase interest or purchase offers on these pieces. This lack of interest also motivated my decision making.

“Money talks while bullshit walks”.

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Under the canuck laws...you replace the barrel...but you can't keep the original one that was taken off ?.

gew98 said:

Under the canuck laws...you replace the barrel...but you can't keep the original one that was taken off ?.

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Sorry if I necro this thread. No, under our law, the barrel is the offending party. As such, it is considered a prohibited device and you cannot own it.

mrfarb said:

I’ll let a Canadian fill in the blanks but basically original barrels are too short to be kept as unrestricted, so the only option is to replace the barrel with a slightly longer version.


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Sorry if I necro the tread. You are close, the barrels are too short, so a barrel swap brings them down from prohibited to restricted. Canada has three classifications, non-restricted, restricted, and prohibited. Getting a prohibited license is basically impossible, and only possible to obtain if it is grandfathered. All pistols are either restricted or prohibited (based on criteria).

Sauer_Kraut said:

Sorry if I necro this thread. No, under our law, the barrel is the offending party. As such, it is considered a prohibited device and you cannot own it.

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Sad that the inert detached barrel could not be saved.

gew98 said:

Sad that the inert detached barrel could not be saved.

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It is a shame, but I'd rather loss the barrel then the whole pistol.