That is not how it works Georg. When you present a theory, as you have done, the burden is on you to prove it correct. It is not our job to prove you wrong. Dave has merely asked you to prove your theory correct.
Matt .. really? WTF is this post for. I'm trying to discuss a detail with Dave and to exchange opinions and data each has collected. I asked Dave if he can offer something that would speak against my theory and I'm hear to learn, but also to share what my research and my opinion is. I don't think Dave needs any assistance from your side and so far I was not under the impression I'm only allowed to post scientifically researched and by pictures and samples verified information that got proof-read by university professors, or to specifically mark each post of mine that what I've written is my personal opinion - I thought this is what everyone anyway does. If it is expected to only limit it to scientifically researched information maybe consider quitting this forum, rather than to try to learn from other persons theories and see what others say to that. Please share your opinion and your observations, that I would appreciate much more.
I do have photos of one SSR which is all matching and HWZ proofed mount and it is Not an SS SSR . I have only pics of said Rifle . There is 2 photos in Robert Spielauers last book printed on Pg 63 which shows SSR Mount with WEIHRAUH logo and Kahles H/4x60 and another Pg 77 which shows type 3 SSR Mount with H/4X60 and recoil bar this Mount also has WEIHRAUH logo .These are not the exact HWZ proofed Mounts You mentioned but these are SSR Mounts with WEIHRAUH logo knowing this one could also come to think or suspect the HWZ proofed mounts were also used .
I have a substantal number of photo of original type 3 Sauer SSR Mounts and Non Sauer type Mounts most of the photos do not show if the mounts sport a Logo under the Depot Upgradenor do I know is if there is a HWZ or WEIHRAUH Logo hidden under the Depot Modification plate and locking stud because most collectors never remove these parts to photograph because most collectors do not know there maybe logo under this part so no reason to remove and look/photograph.
Dave, I was specific when talking on HWZ marked mounts.
By mentioning HWZ marked I meant that this does NOT include Weihrauch marked mounts, and it is obvious to anyone. This was written in my previous post as well. In fact I even mentioned I know of Weihrauch-marked SSR mounts that are THOUGHT to be Wehrmacht SSR mounts - so this also confirms what you wrote above. On the opposite side, once again, I have NOT seen any HWZ marked mount on any other rifle than a SS SSR sniper rifle. As a result, so far, it is my understanding that HWZ marked mounts from factory were only issued to SS. To make my opinion more obvious and to give reasons:
1. "Police Type" mount with the rounded radius on the mount base. Known with P. Köhler scopes and I have a lake found sample which has a (matching rifle number marked) 35.xxx serial Ajack 4x90 in it that is NOT "SS Dienstglas" marked.
2. "HWZ" marked mount. These show up with the very first SS Dienstglas marked Ajack scopes short time after the ones I mentioned under #1. I guess we agree that HWZ would mean "Hermann Weihrauch, Zella(-Mehlis), especially since Hermann Weihrauch registered the HWZ logo in 1921.
3. "Weihrauch" marked mout. I have not seen this mount with EARLY SS Dienstglas marked Ajack scopes, as well as it wouldn't make much sense Weihrauch at the same time producing two different mount types. Additionally having seen what I believe to be NON-SS but nevertheless Weihrauch-marked SSR mounts, I understood that these mounts would be the successor to the HWZ marked mounts.
4. Later SSR mounts (various types that are not included in the above three).
It is tough to argument against "I have pictures of opposite, but I don't show it". OK, then at least please then let me know more on that rifle that is all matching and has a HWZ marked mount. What make and year is that rifle, is the scope mount matching assembly numbers to the base as well, is the scope mount serialized with the letter prefix as well, or only the rifle serial?
Would you maybe agree upon that HWZ mounts were generally used for the SS, but it however cannot be excluded that for unknown reasons at least a single HWZ marked mounts might got delivered to the Wehrmacht among Weihrauch marked mounts, or a SS sniper rifle from the front fell into the hands of the Wehrmacht and/or was later overhauled/repaired by the Wehrmacht and used by the Wehrmacht?
This is a bit like my statement on the cutout in the locking lever. Anything could had happened at the front, but this is not the rule and anything that does not follow the rule should be looked at with high caution. But if we cannot state the rules that cover 99% of the cases, how then we could say anything at all?
The subject of making blanket matter of fact statement has been addressed in the past , at that time it was stressed when making such a statement one should show proof or make it known that this is my opinion based on what you/I have seen . By not doing this it may be detrimental to a new or less knowledgable and or novice collector because it maybe be viewed as gospel by them were as its coming from a member that is viewed as a expert on the subject . This could also affect the reputation of this Forum as a place of misinformation .Best Regards
I repeated what I said on the cutout in the locking levers and still stand by my opinion. It had not changed. Yet I am not the all-knowning person and of course I can be wrong too (by this sentence anyone will now know I'm not female ;-) ). I however fully agree with you that we have to be careful with what we say, plus what we are discussing here are very small and very minor details that most aren't even aware of, or don't even bother at all. Still, this is why I'm here and what I'm looking for and what I've been missing in the past, because these are the things that bear open questions.
