Hi
the grips of the Henckels S84/98 n.A are original, in my opinion. But it is reworked for sure. Normally the blade should be in the white.
But I doubt that the second one is a German S84/98 n.A., because of the missing flashguard, the lack of acceptance markings, and the grips. You could remove the handle, if it´s possible, looks Spanish to me. Can you show the other side of the bayonets?
have removed the grips on the "blanco"