Unusual rg34 Behalter Thread

Starting a thread to document strange or unusual rg34 cans (behalter). The late war kits assembled by G. Appel utilizing parts and components transferred from Hawig and Mundlos have been discussed in a number of postings here on the forum. Here is an example having the CNX stamping with Eagle WaA20 on the main lid. Thread lid is stamped ab43 without WaA. Can is finished in flat green/gray paint. Back side of behalter scratched Luneville France, perhaps by the capturing GI.

A similar behalter shown here. This example having the CNX stamping without WaA on the main lid. Thread lid is stamped cmr44 without WaA. Can is finished in glossy blue/gray paint.

A couple of hot links below where these late war kits are discussed:

http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?1820-Dual-Coded-RG34-Cleaning-kit

http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?33296-Oddball-CNX-ab43-rg34&highlight=Mundlos

A transitional dual maker can by Braunschweigische. The main lid stamped rco44 and the thread lid stamped arr4. Both codes are for the same maker with the rco replacing the earlier arr in late 1944. There are no WaA on the behalter. Suspect the Braunschweigische was making use of older stock.

A Hawig made behalter that is not maker marked but stamped with their Eagle WaA100 on the left side of the main lid. The can is finished in flat blue/gray paint. Hawig kits with this WaA date from 1939 and 1940 and are generally found with their House trademark on the right side of the main lid. Some are trademark only (undated), while others are dated 1940 beside the house. Hawig made kits in this period are more frequently observed with the Eagle WaA14 stamping. Unknown why this can is without the maker's trademark.

A couple of unusual behalter from G. Appel. The top can is a typical G. Appel kit dating from early 1941 and produced until the end of the war. The behalter is marked cnx on the left with an Eagle WaA20 stamping on the right side of the main lid. This is the most commonly encountered rg34 across all makers and years. Note the cnx exhibits a thick font. The middle can is identical but for a different cnx stamping font used which is quite thin. Again Eagle WaA20 stamped as well and to the right. The bottom can is another G. Appel variant this one stamped cnx on the right side (normal thick font) and the Eagle WaA20 stamping to the left. As in the other behalter these markings are found on the main lid. All are finished in flat blue/gray paint. The right side side stamping as well as the thin font cnx example are quite difficult to locate.

Prior to the cnx marking, G. Appel was assigned the numerical code of 64. These kits can be found in silver tinned finish or blue/gray painted. It should be noted that examples of these kits also are found with a more typical thick 64 marking as well as a thin font 64. The thin font 64 marking is usually encountered on the tinned cans and with much greater frequency than the thin cnx stamping.

A late war behalter in ordnance tan paint that is completely unmarked. Without any maker's markings or WaA but undoubtedly manufactured by Braunschweigische Blechwarenfabrik as it is identical in construction and appearance. Unknown in purpose but perhaps a behoerden piece. A similar example is shown in Karem and Steves Kriegsmodell. These behalter are rarely encountered.

Have a few more to dig out and photograph and would encourage other with atypical or unusual rg34 cans to post them here.

Most excellent new subject line, Slash. Pictured (photos 1-4) is a large CNX tin with no WaA acceptance. Instead of the green paint typically seen on Appel kits, this one has a very nice blue-gray gloss like seen on some of the Braunschweigische tins. Oiler is mottled orange phenolic. RGK is the blued split bead variant with simple clip patch loop. HKW is a late, flat stamped type with solder around the peened head of the pin.

The second set of photos (5-9) is a large CNX kit with glossy finish as well. It bears no code but is E/WaA20 accepted on the left side of the lid. Oddly, the inside of the top lid is painted gray or green (hard to tell) and the patch lid is lacquered. Oiler is dark brown phenolic. RGK consists of natural metal split steel beads with a simple wire clip patch loop followed by one alloy bead. The HKW is a late flat stamping with solder around the peened head of the pin.

Great idea Slash ! And thanks for posting these extremely rare Behälters !

I think with millions of Rg34s made there must be many rarities or unusual parts, especially towards the end of the war due to the need to use everything they had on hand.

No doubt, Gustav Appel assembled the late CNX kits using leftover parts from Mundlos and Hawig firms, and these double marked pieces seems to be a good evidence of it. I am the opinion that the CNX and cnx kits without the presence of Waffenamt were the last ones to be manufactured. The elimination of the Waffenamt on the Behälter seems to be made at late 1944 in general, but seems that Gustav Appel firm were the last one to delete it, and continued to marking their Rg34s with the Waffenamt in early 1945 until supress it sometime that year. Evidence of this is the presence of the acceptance marking on many of the CNX kits and the fact that the cnx kits without Waffenamt are scarce.

I enclose pictures of an unmarked Rg34 manufactured by Gustav Appel. The Waffenamt WaA20 on the main lid, at right, is barely visible. This dark grey Behälter shows the typical Gustav Appel manufacturing characteristics and with a close exmination can be determine that was manufactured at towards late war period.

Antoni

Those are some cool kits! A dual code if you will. Love the arr/rco!

Additional CNX Rg34 Photos & Descriptions from Post# 7

Two additional large CNX Rg34s:
Photos 10-13 are of a large CNX kit with a semi-gloss grayish finish. There is no WaA acceptance. The tin itself is unusual in that it bears an additional reinforcement rib on the top end. Oiler is a orange/brown mottled phenolic. RGK consists of natural metal split steel beads with a simple wire clip patch loop followed by one zinc bead. The HKW is a late flat stamping with solder around the peened head of the pin.

Photos 14-17 are of a final large CNX kit. Finish is a dull gray color paint with about 75% remaining. The code stamp is somewhat more deeply struck (C & N). There are only the eagle's wings barely visible of the E/WaA20 acceptance stamp, just to the left of the small pock in the lid. Oiler is a mottled orange/brown phenolic with the bottom plate of the lower pump black. RGK is twisted wire with three steel beads and a wire clip pull-through. Of note are the brushes, which lack the hooks to attach to the patch loop. However, one hook is seen affixed to the last twisted wire loop. My guess is one of the brush hooks was lost/broken and the user improvised by relocating the remaining one to the last loop in the chain...thus allowing him to clip either brush to the chain when required. The HKW is a late stamping with peened "long" pin.

Great kits dot and pwcosol. Thanks for posting. This one certainly will not win any beauty contests but it is unusual none the less. Main lid stamped ab43 with the large eagle swastika WaA313. Thread lid is also stamped ab43 but without WaA. Can has definitely seen some hard use but traces of the flat green/gray paint remain. In some respects I'm surprised these double marked lids don't show up more often.

Some very interesting cleaning kits!
Thanks for showing.

Not much I can contribute right now, but I'll dig through the collection later this week.

As shown in #4, a HAWIG with WaA100 and no logo.

This one, I think is an early war Appel kit with no markings.
Oiler, early chain and HKW with cnx stamp.

This cleaning kit bears a gun# on the patch lid, but no other markings.
came with:
Mundlos 1935 oiler.
Mundlos 1937 HKW
and "M" stamped early chain.

An undated cmr marked kit from Hawig firm, presumably manufactured in 1941.

Slash said:

Great kits dot and pwcosol. Thanks for posting. This one certainly will not win any beauty contests but it is unusual none the less. Main lid stamped ab43 with the large eagle swastika WaA313. Thread lid is also stamped ab43 but without WaA. Can has definitely seen some hard use but traces of the flat green/gray paint remain. In some respects I'm surprised these double marked lids don't show up more often.

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Slash, I found a similar one in my collection, although well rusted !
The Waffenamt is barely visible on the left on the main lid. The small compartment lid has no Waffenamt.
I ask me if these double marked Mundlos cans are only seen with the year 1943.

This is a "funde" kit in a terrible bad condition, but it's interesting because upon close inspection you cannot see any markings on its lids.
It's from Gustav Appel late war manufacture and it was found complete with their original late war pieces also inside.

In my opinion, these "funde" kits are of no value to the normal collector, otherwise they are very valuable to researchers.

More pics of my ab43/CNX cmr43 to add to this thread. Overall paint is matching on all parts, patina is matching. I ended up with the CNX/ab44 from agentcq as well.








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Forgot about this one, kinda fits. 64 marked tin converted to GAPPEL kit, kit is a .22 kit. Marked on side 5. Staffel? Gef. Braun.






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I am really liking this thread! Thanks to all whom have either commented and/or provided so many tantalizing Rg34s. mrfarb's ab43|CNX overstamp is a hit outt'a the park...