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Unusual rg34 Behalter Thread

As shown in #4, a HAWIG with WaA100 and no logo.

Thanks for posting Amberg. Your can is nearly identical to mine although assembled a bit earlier as it has the transitional steel latches. These latches are very similar to the brass type as they are essentially flat but constructed of blued steel. The latches on my behälter are the standard type; stamped blued steel with added reinforcement ridge later adopted by all makers. The transitional latches were only used by Hawig and Mundlos for a very short time period during 1940. Great piece.
 

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Thanks for pointing out the difference.
As you know, I'm only a collector, not a researcher like you are.
Thanks!
 
My contribution

ky 1940 doubled
 

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My contribution 2

arr 43 WaA20 doubled
 

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My contribution 3 and last

ab 42 doubled
 

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Thanks for posting these unusual kits trinxet. Here is a G. Appel with the enigmatic EPE stamping. G. Appel and WaA67 to the main lid with added stampings. The meaning of the large EPE is unknown. Perhaps a police marking? Have several examples recorded. All have the EPE stamping over another letter, in this case the I seen here. The kits are also numbered, 328 on this example. EPE over F, I, and S have been observed thus far. All of the EPE markings recorded have been on early tinned kits, in most cases unmarked examples although a couple have been G. Appel. Any thoughts on the meaning of EPE or details for kits with these markings would be most appreciated .....
 

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Late war Appel made behälter stamped only G. APPEL on the main lid. Unusual to see the upper case G. APPEL marking on a standard "cnx" type can. Note the typical Appel blue/gray finish to include the painted latches. The upper case G. APPEL marking is more commonly encountered on earlier tinned kits and other examples that may be post war assembled from parts. It may also be a marking used on examples sold commercially. Front of the can has scratched WKL initials.
 

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Here is a G. Appel with the enigmatic EPE stamping. G. Appel and WaA67 to the main lid with added stampings. The meaning of the large EPE is unknown. Perhaps a police marking? Have several examples recorded. All have the EPE stamping over another letter, in this case the I seen here. The kits are also numbered, 328 on this example. EPE over F, I, and S have been observed thus far. All of the EPE markings recorded have been on early tinned kits, in most cases unmarked examples although a couple have been G. Appel. Any thoughts on the meaning of EPE or details for kits with these markings would be most appreciated .....

Was looking at this kit (one of 7 Rg34s I acquired as a lot three weeks ago) just this morning. Unattributed with #394 on lid and EPE | F. Everything inside is classic Portuguese manufacture/refurb. Even brass lid clips are the flat type w/very little spring tension. IMHO the markings are likely Portuguese issue ones.
 

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Thick font arr42 behälter with glossy blue/gray paint. Inexplicably the thread lid is stamped with a standard eagle swastika WaA14. The WaA inspector associated with the Hawig firm. Hawig made cans in this period are fairly consistent in having the WaA14 stamping to the left side of the main lid. Unknown why this WaA would be found in this location on a Braunschweigische made can.
 

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Upper case G. APPEL stamped to the main lid and thin font 64 marking to the thread lid. The can is finished in an odd glossy green paint. Also note that the latches are unpainted blued steel which is atypical for Appel made cases. Antoni has a similar example posted on his rg34 blog site. There has been discussion that these kits may have been assembled post war from an assortment of older parts on-hand.
 

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Upper case G. APPEL stamped over 64 to the main lid. A twin perhaps to mrfarb's example shown in post #19. Standard Appel construction finished in their blue/gray paint to include the latches. The components in this kit are standard Appel made pieces marked 64 or G. Appel. In my thoughts a 64 marked kit manufactured in the military contract but remarked and diverted for commercial sales.
 

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Was looking at this kit (one of 7 Rg34s I acquired as a lot three weeks ago) just this morning. Unattributed with #394 on lid and EPE | F. Everything inside is classic Portuguese manufacture/refurb. Even brass lid clips are the flat type w/very little spring tension. IMHO the markings are likely Portuguese issue ones.

Thanks for the comments pwcosol. You may be hitting on something. For what it's worth have EPE > F & 374 in the data base; only twenty pieces away from yours.....
 
Everything inside is classic Portuguese manufacture/refurb. Even brass lid clips are the flat type w/very little spring tension. IMHO the markings are likely Portuguese issue ones.

Exactly like the two EPE kits I have.
 

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Any thoughts on the meaning of EPE or details for kits with these markings would be most appreciated .....

I discussed the EPE marking with Antoni several years ago.
Back then, he came up with a very good idea. Maybe he found out more since then.

EPE = Escola Prática de Engenharia (EPE)
 
I discussed the EPE marking with Antoni several years ago.
Back then, he came up with a very good idea. Maybe he found out more since then.

EPE = Escola Prática de Engenharia (EPE)

These kits appear to have been manufactured for export to Portugal and have peculiar pieces inside that appear to be non-standard Wehrmacht. The tin case itself shows some minor differences from other commercially made Rg34s.

Looking for a connection of these letters engraved with the Portuguese army, I found a coincidence with this unit: the Escola Prática de Engenharia (EPE). This unit based in the Polígono de Tancos was dedicated to teaching military personnel in specific engineering topics from 1880 to 2013. Unfortunately more research is needed for to confirm this possible conexion.

Antoni
 
From the looks of it, the serial numbers on the kits may be sequential. If so, one might also expect the letter below the "EPE" starts with "A" and is also sequential. The lower letter could represent either a class, squad, unit, etc. This also begs the question, are there M1937 Portuguese K98s with these same markings stamped onto the stocks? Seems a good bet there would be for inventory & issue tracking.
 

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