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Saltlife

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All matching grandpa brought her home
Estimates ?
 

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Hi Saltlife,

Look here:
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/52/1713/haenel-c-g-mp431-rifle-792-x-33mm-kurtz
https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/52359-1-397/
https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/52925-1-402/

Could you please post some pics of the rifle ? and isn't there a photo of Hitler laying a brick in the background, that's as valuable as the rifle :laugh:

Joke aside, it looks very well conserved. If you plan to sell it, give it to someone who will take good care of it, not just the guy with the biggest wallet.
 
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You in the USA? If so is this NFA registered? If so is it active? If those are all yes it’s worth a pretty penny.

Your profile says Germany, no idea the value over there.
 
Question is, after Grandpa brought it home (presumably to the US, disregarding the location on your avatar), did he register it?

Or, did he keep any paperwork (no matter how insignificant it may look) with the rifle, older revenue stamps, amnesty paperwork?
There would have been several opportunities for him to legally register the rifle prior to 1986. Each was a little different, and each would have resulted in different paperwork/Govt' paper trail, and with some work almost any one of them can be used to make the firearm legal.
Being direct family is somewhat helpful, too.

You can also reach out to the ATF through "council" to research the firearm, though this can be frustratingly tricky as Vets often misnamed the rifles, and the nomenclature may be off on the registration papers, STG, MP, machine pistol, Schmeisser, making it a really slow and vague process, but, it is another avenue to try.

If he smuggled it home and told no one, you're out of luck - the receiver gets blow-torch cut and sold as a $6-7K parts kit.

There is a compartment in the stock, where occasionally paperwork was rolled up and stowed to keep it safely with the rifle.

If it is actually legally registered, or in Germany - ignore the above -
 
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Per German laws these guns need exempt permits as well (permit issued by the BundesKriminalAmt). These are granted to already very large collections only. Similar to the US the fully automatic guns in private hands were registered at a certain point in Germany, with the prohibition of getting new ones in there is a limited number of fully automatic guns available to collectors in Germany. New importations are only granted for a certain period of time (e.g. for deactivation, conversion to semi automatic or to auction it) and only to dealers/gunsmiths.
Generally the value for fully automatic guns in Europe is lower than in the US. I've recently seen a deactivated MP43 as well as MP43/1 for sale in Europe that were at € 7000 retail price - both all matching numbers in very nice condition. I considered them too expensive but was told they were anyway planned for resale in Netherlands where the retail on these is the highest in Europe.
Depending on the country where you check the prices can vary a lot. If your gun is in Germany, registered with BKA, still fully automatic, all matching numbers it might indeed be a 5 digit number. If it is "only" semi-auto converted, we might talk on 4000-5000, maybe less, since rules on these just changed and they are no longer that easy to own. If deactivated, well then in my opinion value just decreased since in most countries deactivated guns now need to be registered as well, and basically not many have permits for deactivated guns.
 

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