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    Default RWE sporter KAR98a

    My first post. I hope it ok to post sporters.

    I picked this one up at a show this weekend. I've been told it's a 1918-20, kar98a, Reichswerke Erfurt
    Small ring, 20-ish barrel in 8mm.






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    Awww ..... the gods will be angry

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    Yeah, small ring Kar98a sporterized.
    Order the new K98k book at www.thirdpartypress.com
    Don't forget to visit www.latewar.com for info on late war 98k's.

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    Well, at least it is very well done and not a chop job. It may not be a popular thing to say but I like it. For what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gew8805 View Post
    Well, at least it is very well done and not a chop job. It may not be a popular thing to say but I like it. For what it is.
    I have to agree, that is the nicest sporter I have ever seen !

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    It isn't sporterized, this is a postwar commercial rifle made up of leftover 98a components, made by the remnants of Erfurt. All the arsenals made them, Danzig most common, but Amberg and Erfurt's are well known. Look at the siderail, - the rifle is characteristic of others known.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimsonSuhl View Post
    It isn't sporterized, this is a postwar commercial rifle made up of leftover 98a components
    Yes I think also. But I am not sure if components of the rifle are really from Erfurt.

    Can you show us another picture from the receiver (translate Kammerstengel ?)

    Can you find any German firing proof? They must exist.

    What is on the picture here?
    sr-act-l1.jpg

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    Who do you suggest made the 98a parts? Only Erfurt and Danzig made the Kar98a during the war, and Spandau stopped in 1910, Amberg 1911. Danzig sporters based upon Kar98a parts exist, actually are very common, probably because they had more latitude until 1921, with very little IAMCC scrutiny (they got a visit early on but almost nothing was done then... only when a scandal broke out were they really scrutinized and the decision to break up the plant was decided upon.)

    The reality of the situation is that these Kar98a parts can only be Erfurt made parts. Danzig wouldn't have provided them and no one else made such parts. As for the fireproof, one exists on the barrel in the first picture, as is typical under the barrel- moving next to the serial didn't occur until the mid-1920's. The receivers usually have them in the typical locations (as on military models) but sometime the engraving on the top of the receiver obscures some of it.

    The fireproofs are the Erfurt "chicken" style, not the Danzig style, and though Erfurt inspectors inspected Suhl makers, and Dresden, only Erfurt made the Kar.98a, further why would anyone desire leftover 98a parts from Erfurt in 1919-1922? They date to this period due to the facts of Erfurt's Deutsche Werke history; these are mentioned in violations by Deutsche Werke by the IAMCC. Most firms in 1919 wanted to find commercial ventures, most working the bicycle and small tool angles, which was typical of these small German rifle makers, - when tough times came they all made bicycles, motorcycles, tools or practical things always in demand during downturns.

    These are not a new phenomena, they have been known for many years, they come with variations of siderail (GwF.E, Rw.E, and slight variation of the same.) the rifles also come in slightly different styles, - especially the Danzig jobs. Some have German commercial proofing along with the military style proofing, these would be rifles sold in Germany (private individual or club), as per German proof laws. For export this wouldn't be necessary, and it would depend on the country it was sent to (their laws).

    Many leftwing fleabags like to refer to Germany as having gun bands, or bands on private ownership of firearms during the interwar period. Nothing could be further from the truth. There were restrictions, as in all "civilized" nations, hell even the nazis allowed gun ownership in many cases, but in the case of these rifles, most seem to have been sold for export (no German "commercial" proofs), as only a handful have German commercial proofing.
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    I covered the serial number.




    Quote Originally Posted by Markwart View Post
    Yes I think also. But I am not sure if components of the rifle are really from Erfurt.

    Can you show us another picture from the receiver (translate Kammerstengel ?)

    Can you find any German firing proof? They must exist.

    What is on the picture here?
    sr-act-l1.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimsonSuhl View Post
    It isn't sporterized, this is a postwar commercial rifle made up of leftover 98a components, made by the remnants of Erfurt. All the arsenals made them, Danzig most common, but Amberg and Erfurt's are well known. Look at the siderail, - the rifle is characteristic of others known.
    Excellent information Paul, that should have been plain to me, but....

    Thanks for straightening me out. Even if it had been a military rifle sporterized it is of high quality like many well done conversions post-WW2 that stand well on their own but so many refuse to see.

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